Electric shock car alarm system !!!!!!!! - Page 3

EricE · 04-20-2006, 02:19 PM

I agree that the retribution for such an act would outweight the usefullness of it. I balked when you said you were not going to incapacitate them with the shock...that just garentees that your car will be beat to hell by the shockee.

Just up your insurance coverage.

Jagwire · 04-20-2006, 02:49 PM

i guess its better than this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/232777.stm or http://www.gettingit.com/article/69

dmcdlrn · 04-20-2006, 03:02 PM

Hahahaha

I WANT ONE OF THOSE!!!

Problem is it would probably melt my convertible top

happypills, just out of curiosity, could you throw down something other then... Its illegal. I'm not against you, but lets get alittle less in your face your wrong and a wee bit more... hey man, I think your wrong and heres why... otherwise your not helping, and your making your newbie status worse by having a terrible atitude.

ilyassx · 04-20-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jagwire

i guess its better than this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/232777.stm or http://www.gettingit.com/article/69

Haaa

Nice, especially the Autotaser http://www.carsecurity1.co.uk/autoTaser.htm

Quote:

"they pop and spark as they move this is scary no person in their right mind will get close. Try it you will see!!!"

Hahaha nice

senseless228 · 04-20-2006, 03:34 PM

if it is successful, you'd be spening a good amount of time being sued, and i'd rather have something stolen, and covered by my insurance, than to go to court for weeks/months on end, just because of this

the chances of failure/accidental people shocked far outweighs the likelihood of this succeeding, atleast from the info/logic i'm gathering on this thread

it seems like its legally a gray area

like all my redneck friends say "if someone trespasses, its better to kill them than to injure them, cuz if they're alive, they can sue" and the sad thing is, they seem to have a good chance in court

by all means, it would be really cool if this worked, but as i've been reading for the last year on the anti-theft posts, 99% of the time, when you have a defense system that injures the theif, they will retaliate, the easier you make it, the less damage is caused, if you put razor blades behind your headunit, they will tear up your dash out of spite, the last thing a thief wants is to look/feel stupid, so if you make them look/feel stupid they'll get back at you

shock them on the handle, they'll bash in your windshield/slash your tires

make it hard to get in without injuring them, the best idea i've read on this topic, which i didn't follow up, is to put high pitched speakers that are hidden behind your dash, so they dont have enough time to find it before they can't stand the high pitch anymore, and they can't take out your screen because they're spending their whole time finding the siren/speaker, i like that idea

my advice, get a paging alarm system, and up your insurance, quickest/easiest way to do it, and the least hassle if actually broken into.

avengerki · 04-20-2006, 03:38 PM

I would find this type of device to fall under the laws which affects stun guns. Since if you cant have a stun gun then you shouldnt create this device. Here is a breakdown of stun gun lawshttp://www.nonlethaldefense.com/stungunlaws.html. Further research is more then likely required but this should give you a general idea.

dmcdlrn · 04-20-2006, 03:56 PM

what about the other states... like texas... they let you kill people on a whim. Stun guns are slightly different then a 50,000 volt cattle prod type shocker. Stun guns fire electrods across distances and carry much larger bites.

avengerki · 04-20-2006, 04:00 PM

Actually thats a common misconception. A stungun in a handheld device that provides an electrical shock through onboard mounted electrodes. A tazer is a handheld device that provides an electrical shock through air launched electrodes.

SeaLawyer · 04-22-2006, 12:29 PM

Whomever in "law enforcement" you contacted is wrong. It's illegal. It's called a disproportionate use of force. You can't use potentially lethal force to protect your car from being stolen when you're not around. It's not self defense or defense of another. The fact that stun guns may be legal to possess in NC is irrelevant. Hand guns are legal TO POSSESS in most states. However, they're ILLEGAL to USE against another individual in all but the MOST NARROW of circumstances.

Let me try a different example. Let's say you look out your window and see someone trying to break into your car. You, horified over the thought of losing your 1972 Pacer, grab the nearest empty Pabst Blue Ribbon bottle and hurl it at the Pacer pilferer, striking him in the head. You my friend have just committed aggravated assault and are probably going to jail. The fact that he may have been trying to steal your car is irrelevant...

Change the scenario. You miraculously avoid jail time thanks in no small part to your powerful police connections and it's several weeks later. The Pabst-Pinged Pacer Pilferer gets probation for attempted larceny and decides to come back to finish the job -- apparently he shares your Pacer fetish... Only this time, you're not in your apartment, but walking to your car. He engages you as you ingress and pushes a pistole in your pusillanimous probiscos. You, having talked to your police oracle, know that the possession of stun-guns are legal in your state. You zealously zap the Probated Pistole-Packing Pabst-Pinged Pacer Pilferer, disabling him. Have you committed an assault? No. You responded with force proportionate to the threat (actually less than the threat). If you instead reach for your Colt and CAP him (assuming you have your concealed weapons license since it's illegal in NC to transport a firearm in your vehicle if it's within your immediate control without a concealed weapons license), THEN have you committed an assault? Nope... Why not? Because he used the threat of deadly force against your person and you responded in kind. If however, you decided to ZAP him instead, he's disabled, you then pop the hatch of your pacer and remove your Colt from a locked case in the trunk (since you don't have your concealed weapons license). As he lies on the ground, you finish him off... Guess what -- I think by now you know the answer. Or as he lies on the ground disabled, you decide instead to start kicking the crap out of him because you're angry at him -- guess what...

BOTTOM LINE: BOOBIE TRAPPING YOUR CAR TO GIVE A WOULD-BE CAR THIEF WHAT YOU HOPE IS A NON-LETHAL, YET DISABLING JOLT IS ILLEGAL!!! But hey, I'm sure your game-warden buddy knows better than I do, I'm just a poor dumb defense attorney...

dmcdlrn · 04-22-2006, 01:56 PM

Your an idiot. Lawyers suck ***.

If you think that your funny by writing that then your worse off then the poor sob that started this thread.

Bottom line has been obvious from day one.. but its fun to talk about it.

So why don't you go back to blood sucking off of other peoples mistakes and bad choices and leave us the hell alone. Good luck with your continued efforts to undermine and twist the legal system so that *** holes that steal, cheat, lie and kill can continue on getting away while perfect American's who not so much as forget a turn signal live in jail for crimes that went askew because said scumbags happened upon a misplaced knife or clothes line.

SeaLawyer · 04-23-2006, 01:32 AM

WOW!! I'm blown away by your highly intellectual response... While you're at it, why don't you just BURN the Constitution?? I'm sure you think the 5th Amendment is an anathema.

For the record, I'm a Navy JAG (hence the name) and I'm currently deployed to Iraq (away from my normal duties of defending sailors and marines) where I'm helping to put international terrorists in jail so you can sleep safely in BFE, Maine. Sweet dreams.

Genesisfactor · 04-23-2006, 02:21 AM

owned. Much props to SeaLawyer for the military sacrifice (corporate attonery mother, top-ranking military uncle- i know the paycheck difference). Keep up the good work

@psyrex and...no i'm not getting that dancing girl again!
ricers have thier uses, don't they? I guess the biggest problem is how to get a non lethal, legal system in a car to defend agaisnt the inital stages of unlawful entry. We can't kill them. we can't stun them. We can't leave a big black guy named Ben in the car due to labor laws (i'm from the caribbean, its okay...plus it acutally works, though his name wasn't ben).

WHat about adhesives? Or a fast hardening gel that keeps the guy stuck to the car door till you get back? i mean, sure, you may loose a door handle, but think about what he'll have to loses. Like, i understnad some "unlawful imprisonment laws", but hey, we could put a warning sign amd auditory alerts and state that we gave him fair warning.

Ya know a real good defense would be to have the car start for them and take them sraight to the nearest police station. Then again, i don't wanna be the coder for that program...

SnyperBob · 04-23-2006, 02:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jthiani

Guys...im not shooting blanks here....i've researched this. i know excatly what im doing. and as much work time and effort ive put into my car not to mention money (as im sure most of you have) i will be damed if i will let any yahoo break in and steal or damage it all. I will do everythign i leagally can to prevent this. the only legal risks i face by doing this at this time are civil, and we all know theres really no gurantee with this one !!!!!

I hope your 98 Range Rover and installed hardware are worth more than a huge lawsuit in the event you actually consider going through with your idea. Maybe SeaLawyer could clarify, but if someone were to come after you with a suit, they could probably come after your seraniautomation/house/personal funds as well.

I don't know much about laws, but what you are attempting to do is definately not legal. Yes, it's fun to talk about. Better yet, is when you try to implement your security system, just to have someone completely steal your entire vehicle (rather than your system).

I really am glad people come to discuss their bright ideas here first, rather than trying to implement then off the bat. Hopefully we can talk some sense into the bad ideas.

I mean, if I was a criminal, and saw a car with stickers advertising high voltage protection used - I would really think there was something expensive inside the car. If I took the stickers seriously, I'd find a buddy with a tow truck, move the vehicle to a safe place and chop it.

Why don't you just tint the windows really dark, get an alarm capable of paging you when there's a breach, and call it a day.

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disproportionate use of force

jthiani · 04-23-2006, 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by senseless228

if it is successful, you'd be spening a good amount of time being sued, and i'd rather have something stolen, and covered by my insurance, than to go to court for weeks/months on end, just because of this

the chances of failure/accidental people shocked far outweighs the likelihood of this succeeding, atleast from the info/logic i'm gathering on this thread

it seems like its legally a gray area

like all my redneck friends say "if someone trespasses, its better to kill them than to injure them, cuz if they're alive, they can sue" and the sad thing is, they seem to have a good chance in court

by all means, it would be really cool if this worked, but as i've been reading for the last year on the anti-theft posts, 99% of the time, when you have a defense system that injures the theif, they will retaliate, the easier you make it, the less damage is caused, if you put razor blades behind your headunit, they will tear up your dash out of spite, the last thing a thief wants is to look/feel stupid, so if you make them look/feel stupid they'll get back at you

shock them on the handle, they'll bash in your windshield/slash your tires

make it hard to get in without injuring them, the best idea i've read on this topic, which i didn't follow up, is to put high pitched speakers that are hidden behind your dash, so they dont have enough time to find it before they can't stand the high pitch anymore, and they can't take out your screen because they're spending their whole time finding the siren/speaker, i like that idea

my advice, get a paging alarm system, and up your insurance, quickest/easiest way to do it, and the least hassle if actually broken into.

Now this is the kind of responce i appreciate. sensible and backed up by factual logic. this kind of responce displays a good level of inteligence on the part of the person who posted it unlike some shameless responces ive seen (case and point Mr. Judge Advocate General !!!) i will definatly take your responce under advisement

Quote: Originally Posted by SnyperBob

I don't know much about laws, but what you are attempting to do is definately not legal. Yes, it's fun to talk about. Better yet, is when you try to implement your security system, just to have someone completely steal your entire vehicle (rather than your system).

I really am glad people come to discuss their bright ideas here first, rather than trying to implement then off the bat. Hopefully we can talk some sense into the bad ideas.

I mean, if I was a criminal, and saw a car with stickers advertising high voltage protection used - I would really think there was something expensive inside the car. If I took the stickers seriously, I'd find a buddy with a tow truck, move the vehicle to a safe place and chop it.

Why don't you just tint the windows really dark, get an alarm capable of paging you when there's a breach, and call it a day.

thanks for the responce. based on "some of the sensible" posts here i might have to rethink this system and use the super high pitch sounder instead. i have two appointmnets with civil attorney next week to get some advice.

sxott · 04-23-2006, 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jthiani

yeah it would go right throught the glove. A very high voltage current say 50,000 volts, would go throught even thick winter clothes...remember this is the same technology stun guns use. If you manage to get gloves thick enough to prevent getting zapped, then you hand will not fit in the door handle to get it open...and remember there are electrodes inside the car as well......and the location of these in my car would no be advertised. !!!!!!

That is not true if you use a rubber glove, the material determines the voltage needed to get through it. I looked at this more to keep cats from peeing on my car