So close..yet so far - Page 2

RawsonDR · 05-25-2006, 12:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky388

It has the be the fact that not because it's running on 1 molex connector, but because it's on 1 molex connector AND going 5 feet.:

Yes - exactly.
Though that's like saying you're broke all the time because you aren't paid well enough - not because you smoke 2 packs a day. (hypothetical) Point is that both factors contribute negatively to a sensitive situation.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky388

I never would have though 2 devices, plus a fan really wouldn't be that much of a concern.

It's funny to consider the CPU a 'device,' like the hard drive. That device alone is responsible for 5+ Amps draw from your 12V rail - that is why they made a separate connector for it to begin with. They use to just draw from the ATX connector.

Rafster · 05-25-2006, 04:03 AM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...80342&CatId=17

Acer for $399......

Oeace,

Rafster

Rocky388 · 05-25-2006, 07:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rafster

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...80342&CatId=17

Acer for $399......

Oeace,

Rafster

Are the celeron M's really that good though? Anytime i've used a celeron it always seemed much slower, compared to a pentium.

I was considering spending the extra money and getting a pentium M, or going with an AMD..I'm not sure if it'll be worth the extra money though?

Rafster · 05-25-2006, 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky388

Are the celeron M's really that good though? Anytime i've used a celeron it always seemed much slower, compared to a pentium.

I was considering spending the extra money and getting a pentium M, or going with an AMD..I'm not sure if it'll be worth the extra money though?

It does have 1MB Cache...

Put it this way...

What are you going to be doing on your car pc that you need it to be a 2.8GHz system?

I run a PIII 700MHz laptop and I can do MP3, GPS, and Video just fine...

Are you doing anything extra that requires more power?

Peace,

Rafster

Rocky388 · 05-25-2006, 03:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rafster

It does have 1MB Cache...

Put it this way...

What are you going to be doing on your car pc that you need it to be a 2.8GHz system?

I run a PIII 700MHz laptop and I can do MP3, GPS, and Video just fine...

Are you doing anything extra that requires more power?

Peace,

Rafster

No, I agree that my system is overkill, but the 2.8 P4 was given to me...so i figured 'why not'.

In a laptop I would want more power then probably needed for a carputer, only because I would set it up so I can easily remove it from my truck, and use it inside.

Thanks for the link though..$400 is still hell of a price for a laptop...maybe I'll start reading some laptop reviews and see what's out there..

RawsonDR · 05-26-2006, 03:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky388

Are the celeron M's really that good though? Anytime i've used a celeron it always seemed much slower, compared to a pentium.

I was considering spending the extra money and getting a pentium M, or going with an AMD..I'm not sure if it'll be worth the extra money though?

Complex answer.

A "Celeron", alternative to Pentium4, sucks in my opinion. Quite the budget CPU.

A "Celeron M", alternative to Pentium M (think Centrino) is a different story (and quite literally a completely different chip all together). The relative performance drop is much more minor, when comparing same clockspeed. Now, why would Intel release a budget CPU that doesn't drop much performance? The reason is that 1) they are usually sold with lower clock speeds so there's almost an artificial performance drop imposed and 2) many of the Pentium M's complex power saving features are disabled. Number 2 is a big one... that's what makes it a viable 'budget' CPU. In a laptop, you get a bit less performance but your battery life also drops from 4 hours to 3 hours, or 3 hours to 2 hours, or whatever. In carPC applications this should hardly matter at all. A Celeron M laptop will still draw much less power than most desktops. You can probably find comparative benchmarks on the web if you search.

I think you'd be happy with either of those or an AMD as well. AMD would be similar story - Turion would give best battery life. Athlon 64 would give better performance if clock speed was higher for same price, and Sempron would still give decent performance and be cheaper.

Rafster · 05-26-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by RawsonDR

Complex answer.

A "Celeron", alternative to Pentium4, sucks in my opinion. Quite the budget CPU.

A "Celeron M", alternative to Pentium M (think Centrino) is a different story (and quite literally a completely different chip all together). The relative performance drop is much more minor, when comparing same clockspeed. Now, why would Intel release a budget CPU that doesn't drop much performance? The reason is that 1) they are usually sold with lower clock speeds so there's almost an artificial performance drop imposed and 2) many of the Pentium M's complex power saving features are disabled. Number 2 is a big one... that's what makes it a viable 'budget' CPU. In a laptop, you get a bit less performance but your battery life also drops from 4 hours to 3 hours, or 3 hours to 2 hours, or whatever. In carPC applications this should hardly matter at all. A Celeron M laptop will still draw much less power than most desktops. You can probably find comparative benchmarks on the web if you search.

I think you'd be happy with either of those or an AMD as well. AMD would be similar story - Turion would give best battery life. Athlon 64 would give better performance if clock speed was higher for same price, and Sempron would still give decent performance and be cheaper.

+ Again, it's 1.5GHz....

What are you gonna be doing with this thing? Editing video? WHy do you need a SCREAMING fast machine... 1.5GHz is good for almost anything these days....

Peace,

Rafster

Rocky388 · 05-26-2006, 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by RawsonDR

Complex answer.

A "Celeron", alternative to Pentium4, sucks in my opinion. Quite the budget CPU.

A "Celeron M", alternative to Pentium M (think Centrino) is a different story (and quite literally a completely different chip all together). The relative performance drop is much more minor, when comparing same clockspeed. Now, why would Intel release a budget CPU that doesn't drop much performance? The reason is that 1) they are usually sold with lower clock speeds so there's almost an artificial performance drop imposed and 2) many of the Pentium M's complex power saving features are disabled. Number 2 is a big one... that's what makes it a viable 'budget' CPU. In a laptop, you get a bit less performance but your battery life also drops from 4 hours to 3 hours, or 3 hours to 2 hours, or whatever. In carPC applications this should hardly matter at all. A Celeron M laptop will still draw much less power than most desktops. You can probably find comparative benchmarks on the web if you search.

I think you'd be happy with either of those or an AMD as well. AMD would be similar story - Turion would give best battery life. Athlon 64 would give better performance if clock speed was higher for same price, and Sempron would still give decent performance and be cheaper.

thanks for the reply, thats exactly the answer I was looking for. Through my experiences, like you said, celeron sucks compared to pentium, and I was wondering if it was the same for the M's.

..anyway...I ran a seperate set of wires to power the CPU, and still it locked up. After some troubleshooting and testing, I saw that even though the molex connector that went from the PSU to the HDD was connected all the way, the slightest tap would make the harddrive click (I even put a zip-tie around the connectors, thinking it was just getting loose...but still no luck) So, I cut the molex connector off and spliced the wires together. Works wonderfully now.

Rafster · 05-27-2006, 04:27 AM

Problem solved then?

Peace,

Rafster

Rocky388 · 05-27-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rafster

Problem solved then?

Peace,

Rafster

Seems like it. It's been working with no problems at all since 2 nights ago.

..but even though, I think eventually I'd like to switch over to a laptop based system..

I read in another thread that you're thinking of switching from your laptop to a desktop (or similar?) system? Any particular reason for that?

Rafster · 05-27-2006, 04:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky388

Seems like it. It's been working with no problems at all since 2 nights ago.

..but even though, I think eventually I'd like to switch over to a laptop based system..

I read in another thread that you're thinking of switching from your laptop to a desktop (or similar?) system? Any particular reason for that?

Well... it's just the fact that it's so hard to upgreade the laptops, you're kind of stuck with what you have... the only thing you can upgrade is the RAM and HD...

In my case, running a PIII 700 is fine for right now, but probably in a little bit, I'll need something a little bit faster...

Also, it's a pain in the *** to reach under my passenger seat and turn the thing on each time I want to use it...

Peace,

Rafster