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Old 07-22-2008, 02:20 AM   #646
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Within WAECO device you can connect external antenna. You can use the same way to improve the signal strength.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:15 AM   #647
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I am glad to hear that WAECO is compatible! Increases chance of finding replacement sensors when batteries are out. On WAECO (was not Waeco some kind of suicidal sect?) it says that their sensors have 7 year service interval. Does that implicate that batteries can be replaced or charged?

I found Waeco kit at €85 on ebay.
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:40 AM   #648
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Hello Guys,
a Few people have asked for some pics about where/how to cut the RF-Rx from the poriginal board, mounting it, etc.

Below a quote from a post I made in my worklog.

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Hello Guys,

Quote: Originally Posted by MrBean
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I have just received my Tyre Pressure Monitoring kit from my supplier, and I am 90% complete removing the wireless receiver, and integrating it via a custom PIC-Micro into my Carputer - all the temperature, and pressures, from each wheel will be displayed in realtime on CentraFuse frontend, with adjustable alarm-limits to warn of excursions.

In my mind, this is a very important part of having this carputer in the 1st place, it is an added safety factor when doing serious travelling with a 500+ HP (on the wheels) UTE

Ok, as promissed, a few detailed pictures of how to do the TPMS setup, based on RobbyBMW's PIC USB interface, and the 3rd Eye TPMS kit.

Here's the kit as it will arrive, all neatly packed, in an eye-catching box - no pun intended:




Taking a close-up between the RF receiver, which is the unit with the LCD display combination, one of the 5 tyre pressure sensors, the unit in the front, and the PIC micro USB to PC interface board.



Another shot, showing the rear, with the serial number in this case, of the RF module.



I decided to get her naked, and expose her innermost secrets to the salivating masses out there....



And take off some of her clothes, actually, completely strip her - lol...



Well, I got lost for a moment there, soz about that....

Here is a pic showing how I desoldered the LCD board, and ending up with the RF/PSU combination board, and the LCD/Decoder board.



And here is a shot of the same from the back, the piece on the bottom, right, is what we are interested in - the RF Receiver, repsonding to frequencies at 433,92Mhz.



So, we need to do a bit of dremmelling, and end up with this - be very, very careful of firstly, statics, and secondly, to cut just to the left of the little divider line on the PCB - the larger portion must be the RF Receiver part!



And here is the connections to be made, they will be soldered to pins on the PIC USB interface pcb:



to give us an end result, looking something like this (hopefully yours do too):



and here:



I just thought I'd post a good guide on how-to do this mod, as it's not as simple as it seems by reading Robby's thread, and, if you're not familiar with electronics, and do not owe a good, fine-tipped soldering iron, don't attempt this, as you would ruin a perfectly good TPMS unit.

What do we acheive by doing the above mod?

Well, now we can display our tyre temps, and pressures directly onto our Carputer Frontend - the plugin for Roadrunner is ready, and working, and the Centrafuse one is nearly Beta, the developer will notify me as soon as it is.

For now, I have tested mine with Robby's test applet, and it works very well.

Nice, and a good safety feature to add to your carputer setup.

Now you can start to understand why I opted for the very powerful Core 2 Duo based solution

Enjoy this thread, I hope it is helpful.

edit: One thing I did not add, and which is not visible in the photos - I added a piece of supporting foamrubber under the RF board, so it will sit firm on the USB-pcb, with no fear of vibrations causing any harm/loose connections.

Something to keep in mind.
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:48 AM   #649
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Quote: Originally Posted by a__l View Post
Hi Robby.
Thanks. Would like to confirm that WAECO device is fully compatible(including CRC) with your investigation and realization (I used my own program and ATmel device but based on your research. The only thing is the rate for getting pressure. In my case the formula is a little bit different[pressure = 2.38*RAW data(from sensor) - 70 but to get BAR] but the idea is the same) :-) By the way have you thought also about displaying the signal strength coming from sensors?

Glad to hear this, but are you sure about the formula to get the pressure?
2.38 is a strange value.

As for the signal strength, I had initially thought to it, but since the data packet sent from the sensors is too fast (about 11,2 ms) there isn't sufficient time to perform a reliable reading, also it would be necessary to modify the 3rdEye receiver to pickup the signal strength (i think it is available on the pin 26 of the TDA5200) and make an A/D conversion of this last.
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:26 AM   #650
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Robby, Do i have to unsolder the original antena or can i solder that peice directly onto the existing one? Also I used the doctor application yesterday and did a master reset. Now the doctor appllication is unable to see any changes in the tire presure.

You have to remove the original antenna and to solder the center core of the coaxial cable, you need also to solder the shield of the coaxial cable to GND, for example on JP3.

About the master reset, it is normal, now you need to perform again the learnig procedure for each sensor.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:27 AM   #651
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Glad to hear this, but are you sure about the formula to get the pressure?
2.38 is a strange value.

As for the signal strength, I had initially thought to it, but since the data packet sent from the sensors is too fast (about 11,2 ms) there isn't sufficient time to perform a reliable reading, also it would be necessary to modify the 3rdEye receiver to pickup the signal strength (i think it is available on the pin 26 of the TDA5200) and make an A/D conversion of this last.

Not sure about 2.38 .... I calculated based on my values... it may be also measurement error.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:13 AM   #652
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Ok, try this:
Do a master reset to the PIC with TPMS DOCTOR, then perform the learnig procedure trough RRTMS Config taking care to place the receiver at least 1 meter from the tyres and to wait at least 1minute between a tire and the other.

Help !!! still no joy.

I cleared the pic ..and opened RRTMS.

Paired the first wheel .Waited 2 mins ..pressed learn on the second wheel and after 6 seconds it stops flashing.This is with out me doing anything ..just walking to the tyre.

Same with 3 and 4 ..it just pairs automatically.

All 4 wheels then read the same pressure...and if i adjust any of the pressures ..nothing changes.

I have tryed it with the usb board out of the plastic box ..no difference.

I have tryed with a different pc (laptop) does exactly the same.

Tryed resetting pic and pairing with centrafuse ...it sometimes paires ..but again second one pairs automatically.

All 5 sensors were the same numbers , but with a white square with 1-5 at the end .

The other set of wheels fitted with sensors have 4 completly different numbers .

Have tryed pairing with those aswell , but same as above.

Any idea's ...i have spent over $350 on this and it was supposed to be tested before i got it .
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:12 AM   #653
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Help !!! still no joy.

I cleared the pic ..and opened RRTMS.

Paired the first wheel .Waited 2 mins ..pressed learn on the second wheel and after 6 seconds it stops flashing.This is with out me doing anything ..just walking to the tyre.

Same with 3 and 4 ..it just pairs automatically.

All 4 wheels then read the same pressure...and if i adjust any of the pressures ..nothing changes.

I have tryed it with the usb board out of the plastic box ..no difference.

I have tryed with a different pc (laptop) does exactly the same.

Tryed resetting pic and pairing with centrafuse ...it sometimes paires ..but again second one pairs automatically.

All 5 sensors were the same numbers , but with a white square with 1-5 at the end .

The other set of wheels fitted with sensors have 4 completly different numbers .

Have tryed pairing with those aswell , but same as above.

Any idea's ...i have spent over $350 on this and it was supposed to be tested before i got it .

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Old 07-23-2008, 02:34 PM   #654
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Quote: Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Help !!! still no joy.

I cleared the pic ..and opened RRTMS.

Paired the first wheel .Waited 2 mins ..pressed learn on the second wheel and after 6 seconds it stops flashing.This is with out me doing anything ..just walking to the tyre.

Same with 3 and 4 ..it just pairs automatically.

All 4 wheels then read the same pressure...and if i adjust any of the pressures ..nothing changes.

I have tryed it with the usb board out of the plastic box ..no difference.

I have tryed with a different pc (laptop) does exactly the same.

Tryed resetting pic and pairing with centrafuse ...it sometimes paires ..but again second one pairs automatically.

All 5 sensors were the same numbers , but with a white square with 1-5 at the end .

The other set of wheels fitted with sensors have 4 completly different numbers .

Have tryed pairing with those aswell , but same as above.

Any idea's ...i have spent over $350 on this and it was supposed to be tested before i got it .

i have the same issue.
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:39 AM   #655
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Quote: Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Help !!! still no joy.

I cleared the pic ..and opened RRTMS.

Paired the first wheel .Waited 2 mins ..pressed learn on the second wheel and after 6 seconds it stops flashing.This is with out me doing anything ..just walking to the tyre.

Same with 3 and 4 ..it just pairs automatically.

All 4 wheels then read the same pressure...and if i adjust any of the pressures ..nothing changes.

I have tryed it with the usb board out of the plastic box ..no difference.

I have tryed with a different pc (laptop) does exactly the same.

Tryed resetting pic and pairing with centrafuse ...it sometimes paires ..but again second one pairs automatically.

All 5 sensors were the same numbers , but with a white square with 1-5 at the end .

The other set of wheels fitted with sensors have 4 completly different numbers .

Have tryed pairing with those aswell , but same as above.

Any idea's ...i have spent over $350 on this and it was supposed to be tested before i got it .

same problem here...

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Old 07-24-2008, 08:44 AM   #656
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This is strange
Guys are you receive boards from me?
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:45 AM   #657
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This is strange
Guys are you receive boards from me?

nope, my board comes from LYHTSPD
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:24 AM   #658
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Hey DeJan,
I have the same issue with the last board from you.

All the other ones was fine, but somehow the last board has the same issue, pairing one wheel (if I'm lucky) and the others don't pair, just stop flashing after few seconds without me deflating the assossiated tyre.

This was on a unit I made for someone, but not cutting the rx of the original unit, just feeding the signal from the 3rd pin on the connector.

It's not the cable, on another unit it worked fine.

So, something amiss with some of these units, maybe tolerances...dunno.

Robby, any idea?
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:50 AM   #659
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Wiggy, I did test all of the usb interfaces before I sent them out. I made sure that all sensors could pair with the device, and then did a Master Reset to clear out the sensor ID (I was not sure which tire would end up where on the final installation).

I did see this happen every once in a while when pairing the sensors. I started to wonder if there was just too much RF traffic from all the sensors, and the receiver PIC could not handle all of it. At that point I would usually just call it a night and come back to it the next day, and it would not have any problems. *shrug*

Edit: From what mrBean said, was there any changes in the PIC code Robby?
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No, there isn't change in the firmware code.
However Wiggi will send me his device for a complete checkup. After the inspection, I will inform you all about a possible solution.
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