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03-06-2006, 09:38 AM
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Italy/Lecce
Posts: 230
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@Vicne, excuse me if I send info about how to control girder via HU... 
I've tested the c:\programmi\girder\event.exe PLAY or c:\programmi\girder\event.exe STOP , etc, and after set this event in Girder whit RR.GML loaded I can control RR! It works fine, If you have a little free time to add it in your TLCDCEmu I can test in car, there will be a great step!
Thanks!
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03-06-2006, 09:40 AM
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#332
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Italy/Lecce
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
From the datasheet of the chm 604 mp3:
If available, ID3 Tag and WMA Text such
as Directory, Artist, Album and Title can be displayed. maybe only with certain vdo-dayton head units? (but they don't tell)
I think that only some model of HU can support this featured, for example the HU that have CDTEXT.
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03-06-2006, 10:26 AM
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#333
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
Oh, yes, it works better with a "dash" character between "pi" and "180" :-)
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Not that I completely understand french but.... 
Well, I do, but there's not much information there, just it seems there are 2 models available, the pi-180 being an interface for both stalk controls and display, but apart from the price (120 EUR), it needs to be plugged directly to the display, so the dashboard has to be dismantled.
Anyway, it just confirms it's positioned between HU and display, not between CDC and HU, and you can see the yellow female connector on this picture
Last edited by Vicne; 03-13-2006 at 09:51 AM.
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03-06-2006, 10:50 AM
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#334
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
From the datasheet of the chm 604 mp3:
If available, ID3 Tag and WMA Text such
as Directory, Artist, Album and Title can be displayed. maybe only with certain vdo-dayton head units? (but they don't tell)
Probably. I suppose the Tuner List probably discards that information...
All I can say is that several people have bought and use the CHM604 on planeterenault and their only complaint is that ID3 isn't displayed...
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03-06-2006, 11:02 AM
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#335
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by slimmegane
Interesting. The reply was about Javascript which isn't Java, but I get the idea.
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@Vicne, excuse me if I send info about how to control girder via HU...
No problem :-)
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I've tested the c:\programmi\girder\event.exe PLAY or c:\programmi\girder\event.exe STOP , etc, and after set this event in Girder whit RR.GML loaded I can control RR! It works fine, If you have a little free time to add it in your TLCDCEmu I can test in car, there will be a great step!
For my part, I'm investigating direct control of RR without Girder as I don't like to force people to buy Girder if not needed. I had a good advice of Guino and I have good hope.
So for the moment I'm keeping Girder as a backup track, but thanks very much for the information.
Last edited by Vicne; 03-06-2006 at 11:12 AM.
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03-06-2006, 11:18 AM
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#336
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Remember ?
Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
However, does anybody qualifies for free samples?
Ordered on Thursday, sent on Friday, received this morning via Fedex.
The funniest thing is they send a 20x20x10cm box for a 10x5x2mm chip :-)
As soon as I stop trembling and have a bit of time, I try to solder the chip :-)
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03-06-2006, 11:44 AM
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#337
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Italy/Lecce
Posts: 230
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Quote: Originally Posted by Vicne
Interesting. The reply was about Javascript which isn't Java, but I get the idea.
No problem :-)
For my part, I'm investigating direct control of RR without Girder as I don't like to force people to buy Girder if not needed. I had a good advice of Guino and I have good hope.
So for the moment I'm keeping Girder as a backup track, but thanks very much for the information.
I think to keep Girder solution as primary because i think this is the faster and easy way to comunicate whit RR and a lot of people have the free version of girder, and someone can configure it has he want.
Bye.
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03-07-2006, 05:17 AM
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#338
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 113
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
However I'll do no more tests until I find some optocouplers...
I found some ( til111) and I've tested them at 19200bps (not in the car though), so they should work fine at 9600.
I've prepared the circuit with 3 optocouplers (one for tx, one for rx and one for the remote signal) on the breadboard and maybe tomorrow I'll have time to test it in the car.
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03-07-2006, 06:01 AM
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#339
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 173
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For people who are still looking for a shop to buy mini ISO plugs, look here. Its interesting because there are no wires connected to the pins, so you fix your cables and lengths.
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03-07-2006, 06:03 AM
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#340
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 113
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
I've prepared the circuit with 3 optocouplers (one for tx, one for rx and one for the remote signal) on the breadboard and maybe tomorrow I'll have time to test it in the car.
This is the circuit I'm going to use:
The program has to activate rts and deactivate dtr to give the correct voltages for the input side.
I take the signal from the emitters on input so it's at a positive level with 12v on the led and negative with 0v.
The output is connected as an open collector but the input signal is reversed, so the HU, through it's internal pull-up, will see a positive voltage (transistor open) when tx is positive and 0v (transistor in saturation) when tx is negative.
As I said I tested this circuit by connecting a pull-up resistor on the bottom optocoupler to a 12v supply, and connecting the resulting signal to the middle one (through the 680ohm resistor). I could read back the data sent at 19200bps.
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03-07-2006, 06:21 AM
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#341
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 113
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Quote: Originally Posted by Putput
For people who are still looking for a shop to buy mini ISO plugs, look here. Its interesting because there are no wires connected to the pins, so you fix your cables and lengths.
But the shipping cost outside germany is 15€!!! Besides, they don't take credit cards, only bank transfers or paypal.
And I had to register (with fake data, they deserve it) just to find out. I'm tired of shopping sites where you need to register and simulate a complete order process just to find the basic information,
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03-07-2006, 07:11 AM
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#342
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
This is the circuit I'm going to use:
The program has to activate rts and deactivate dtr to give the correct voltages for the input side.
I really like your design. Using the remaining signal pins is a smart way to create the needed reference positive and negative voltages.
This circuit not only gives electric isolation but also allows you to get rid of the power supply altogether. Simpler is better.
I'm really tempted to switch to this design, also using RTS to drive a transistor to power my relays. That way, they would only switch from actual CDC to emulator once PC is booted and emulator is ready...
Ale, are you still around ? What do you think of all this ?
Edit : my local dealer has the CNY74-4 which looks compact and well suited so I'd probably go for it. Any comment ?
Last edited by Vicne; 03-07-2006 at 07:44 AM.
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03-07-2006, 07:16 AM
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#343
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
But the shipping cost outside germany is 15€!!! Besides, they don't take credit cards, only bank transfers or paypal.
And I had to register (with fake data, they deserve it) just to find out. I'm tired of shopping sites where you need to register and simulate a complete order process just to find the basic information,
Agreed... s/h costs are generally so high for small orders that they should be easier to find...
Anyway, I still advise these on eBay (5 + 4 s/h) for now...
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03-07-2006, 07:35 AM
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#344
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 173
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Quote: Originally Posted by pippolippi
But the shipping cost outside germany is 15€!!! Besides, they don't take credit cards, only bank transfers or paypal.
And I had to register (with fake data, they deserve it) just to find out. I'm tired of shopping sites where you need to register and simulate a complete order process just to find the basic information,
I'm very sorry that I stept on your 'short fuse'.
I was only trying to help. I looked at the product page and found it a lot more interesting then the one that Vicne suggested because of the fact that there are no wires attached to the pins, thats all. I never placed an order there so I didn't knew about the shipping cost and payment methods. Besides, because you don't want to work with these conditions and live outside Germany, other people might so I suggest that next time you could try to react a little bit more subtle. Thank you.
Last edited by Putput; 03-07-2006 at 07:47 AM.
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03-07-2006, 07:49 AM
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#345
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 325
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Quote: Originally Posted by Putput
I'm very sorry that I stept on your 'short fuse'
Don't take it personally, Putput, I think he was just upset against the website, not against you. :-)
I also think that ready-to-solder contacts are better, but OTOH with his schema, he has no need of a 5V power supply so he can put the circuit just behind or next to the head unit and use the provided wires.
Anyway, your information WAS useful and appreciated - and we may have German readers who won't have to pay the s/h costs...
Let's have a nice day :-)
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