Software options for Tuning - Page 15

FyreDaug · 11-19-2006, 12:04 AM

latest winamp (as of their site today) winamp output plugin? The direct sound or whatever it has, vst eq is the 31band

durwood · 11-20-2006, 11:02 PM

Frequency Allocator teamed with Frequency Arbitrator maintains linear phase according to their website. That means frequency response of the drivers are unaffected. They are out of beta version but the version 1.0 can be purchased at discount before Christmas it sounds like. I think I am going to try it out.

Added:
$100 for F Allo
$70 for F Arb

BenOBS · 11-21-2006, 12:44 PM

Sorry if it is a little "off-topic", but is there any thread that explaine how to use/what make sound optimisation like Feedback, reverb, damping, diffusion, pre-delay, attack, Xth order crossover, Dynamics Processor, etc... Im sure it can understand it easily, i just dont find any reference...

durwood · 11-21-2006, 12:47 PM

Do you mean in general for tuning or for a specific software program?

BenOBS · 11-21-2006, 12:53 PM

The KX project have it all... To know there exact effects would be great... Tips to use it too....

durwood · 11-21-2006, 01:28 PM

Well I took a screen shot of the plugins a while back in post 68

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...8&postcount=68

Setup will depend on what your stereo/system setup is.

I particularly have a 4 way stereo setup, no surround.

All I want is crossovers, EQ, and time delay.

For crossovers you could use the 2 and 4th order crossover.
For EQ there is a basic 10 band or a parametric.
For time delay there is "the small delay" or "timebalanceV2".

When I get home today, I will construct and example of what would work for me, but that doesn't mean it will work for you. I will post it up here. I don't want reverb, dynamics processing or damping because that is somewhat destructive processing. I am trying to keep from altering the sound as little as possible.

FyreDaug · 11-21-2006, 03:57 PM

Well my research has told me that the latest version of winamp has a built in version of the 4front eq, as it was better than the winamp eq. Problem is, it seems you cant disable it, and that eq is built in with the bass/treble knobs, you adjust those, the eq adjusts. This takes effect on all mp3 /non lossless music. I even installed the stand alone 4front eq, and it says (inactive) when tis not a lossless song. So I just went with the 4front, tuned it on winamp to match the sound of mp3's and the standalone one for the lossless files. Maybe what I will try later is an older version of winamp with the dsp bridge and use that 31band eq again. Maybe it wont bypass it and use the built in amp

CarAudioGuru · 11-21-2006, 04:51 PM

Really great information. Doubtfull very many people will stick a computer into their car audio system (or visaversa) But interesting research. VERY interesting actually. Good job REDGTIV6

By the way Audison amplifiers are VERY accurate in their crossover modules in all the series (SRx, LRx, and VRx) Really!! just an FYI

Great work, keep it up.
CarAudioGuru

durwood · 11-21-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CarAudioGuru

Really great information. Doubtfull very many people will stick a computer into their car audio system (or visaversa) But interesting research. VERY interesting actually. Good job REDGTIV6

By the way Audison amplifiers are VERY accurate in their crossover modules in all the series (SRx, LRx, and VRx) Really!! just an FYI

Great work, keep it up.
CarAudioGuru

No one is contesting that some amps have good built in crossovers, but when you want to make fine tuning adjustments it's too hard to do a comparison if you hop in and out of your car to go change amplifier settings in the trunk, especially when it requires actually changing a resistor pack or similar.

Computers are a lot more versatile than a HU when going to make changes, addons or upgrades. At some point they will be the norm IMO...ok maybe normal for me at least.

turbocad6 · 11-21-2006, 05:55 PM

crossovers are more set & forget, especially if you use an rta to set your baseline, but it is nice to be able to tweek & play with the crossover points too if you need to tweek those transition areas a bit.... I have played around with my crossovers in my car way more than I normally would have, mainly because the alpine does make it so easy to do that, as would a pc of course....

now when I had to jump from my trunk to my cabin while tweeking the eqt's.... THAT sucked

CarAudioGuru · 11-21-2006, 05:55 PM

Actually I designed (and built) an amplifier (1989) that had an detachable crossover with a 9 band parametric EQ built-in. It was for Phoenix Gold and the model was MPH-6300. We showed it at 1990 CES. Unforutantly the BOM (Bill of materials) was over $24,000.00 for the amplifier and we never took it into production. But it was WAY cool. So easy to dial in any system with a crossover that was adjustable 6/12/18 or 24 dB per octave for front/rear/sub with 3 bands of parametric EQ for front/rear/sub (and varaible phase for the subwoofer out) We had fun building the cool stuff, that is for sure. After market audio computers? It will be, but not big. Not for a while anyway. Soon you will NOT be able to intergrate anything aftermarket into cars. At least new cars that is for sure. But keep pushing the "envelope" that is for sure.

CarAudioGuru · 11-21-2006, 06:09 PM

...DO not "track" and are NOT accurate at ALL! By sometimes as much as200% off! Really. And the ones that are "sort of accurate" aren't accurate left to right channel level wise. Big reason is cost of accurate pots. Ever $0.01 you put into a car audio amp costs 5 times at retail. So when other manuafacturers use TIP35/36 output devices (for example) These cost $0.56 cents a piece. Where as the old PG amps Toshiba outputs (the ones that Focal uses now) cost $2.51 each. And at 8 parts for a MS-275 that is $20.08 -JUST for output devices! Or $100 retail as the other guys 8 -TIP35/36's cost a whopping $4.48 , or $22.00 at retail. So a PG amp (old days..NOT now!) cost 4 times as much as anyone else becasue the parts cost 4 times as much! But rated at same power, and swung the same amount of voltage into the same impedance, but TIP35/36's are 3 meg parts and the Toshiba's are 25 Meg parts. BIG difference sonically. (by the way Audison amps use 12 Meg parts for "entry level amplifier) and 30 meg for LRx, just as a current comparison) Speed is a BIG deal in outputs!

Pots are similar and you can get dual gang or quad gang pots for $0.12 cents. Or real ones (Nobles, etc) for $6.00 each. Laser matched with in 0.01% BIG difference in performace, if anyone cares...............

Just food for thought. Not always the way you think it is.

durwood · 11-21-2006, 06:10 PM

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It was for Phoenix Gold and the model was MPH-6300. We showed it at 1990 CES. Unforutantly the BOM (Bill of materials) was over $24,000.00 for the amplifier and we never took it into production. But it was WAY cool.

Awesome. Nothing like going over the top...and back in 1990 that would have been impressive.

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Soon you will NOT be able to intergrate anything aftermarket into cars. At least new cars that is for sure. But keep pushing the "envelope" that is for sure.

Mazda tried to stop me but I found a way.

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crossovers are more set & forget, especially if you use an rta to set your baseline, but it is nice to be able to tweek & play with the crossover points too if you need to tweek those transition areas a bit.... I have played around with my crossovers in my car way more than I normally would have, mainly because the alpine does make it so easy to do that, as would a pc of course....

now when I had to jump from my trunk to my cabin while tweeking the eqt's.... THAT sucked

True on the crossovers. I don't really do anything to mine anymore unless I change out the drivers.

I hear you on the EQ.

So CARAudioGuru...who do you work for today? Audison perhaps? My A/D/S has some mileage on it. hint hint

turbocad6 · 11-21-2006, 06:10 PM

yeah, I had an early ppi art series x-over that docked into a base, but you could undock it & extend it to inside the car with a cable.....

I also did this trick with rca's to pull the eqt's into the car for heavy tuning sessions...

CarAudioGuru · 11-21-2006, 06:17 PM

EQT's and LONG *** cables. The ONLY way to fly!

Hated those EQ's

I work for Elettromedia-usa (Audison/Hertz/Connection product lines in the USA) Working with crazy Italians! Its FUN! And the PG amp MPH-6300 was set to sell for $125,000.00 retail. Impressive? HELL YES is was mighty impressive. The ONLY amplifer even close is the THESIS by Audison Most incredible amplifier I have ever seen for car, that is for sure. Thats why I am working for them, because they GET IT! They understand the electronics and board layouts , tonality of drivers, etc. Where everyone is just playing at it. If it ain't fun, why bother???

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