BenOBS

Thanks for the input...

At the beginning I plan to use it whit the CDT passive crossover, but my next step will be to add a 4 channels amplifier and a midrange driver and go active...

The crossover capability seam to be okay to achieve this. Some parametric EQ will probably do the job for tuning, at the beginning...

Im anxious to give it a try, im so borred of my crappy pioneer HU!





Thanks, right now I dont give them the signal quality they want, but i work hard on it...

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Sorry Ben,

I got halfway through my KXproject explanation but I haven't had time to complete it. I'll get to it soon.

Another member had asked me about how to use VST plugins with winamp so I wrote a real quick guide attached doc.

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RedGTiVR6

Durwood -

can you post that in the Wiki? Perhaps we need to start a wiki on this whole process? I can see that being highly useful!

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durwood

Good idea. I'll see what I can do.

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netchris

To get around the problem of foobar2000 not being integrated in any frontend, could we just use VAC to route winamp's sound output to foobar2000's input? I'm going to start playing around with this idea..

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You know it seems with that foobar2000 crossover plugin that ASIO isn't even necessary for active crossover.. the plugin will output however many channels your sound card has. Maybe some expensive fancy software requires asio and can do crossover, but this foobar2000 plugin doesn't!

durwood

Ya I agree it's a cool option. If you just listen to music foobar is another simple way to go. If you want to watch movies then foobar won't work for that.

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hmmm, OK, so I've been watching the efforts here & I have dismissed this as something that I personally would rather not get into... I mean my PC is probably not strong enough & I already have the alpine processor & all... I'd be afraid of it lagging the whole system down... that combined with the fact that I love my alpine system...

well, now I have a new car that I am building... I was looking at the new f1 status system for it... the new one's are sick, the processor not only does auto tunning, but it is also fully active, meaning it compensates & adjusts real time... no more one curve for lower volume & another for cranking it.... BUT I can't fit an alpine head in this car realistically at all & to run the ion buss processor stand alone may be issues, not to mention it's $2,600 list

this has got me to thinking about what you guys are doing.... then, I winded up getting my hands on a nice little motherboard with some real muscle behind her, but still very efficient... it's a Pentium m board w/533fsb & takes up to 2 gigs of ddr2-533 ram... I think a machine like this, with an over 2.0 processor should be up to the task.... anyone have any input on that?

now when it comes to car audio I do know a bit, but when it comes to audio processing on the PC I know squat... I have seen what red & the vette dude have done with swapping out the ic's for burr browns, soldering in high end rca's... I could do that stuff no problem ...

anyone have any opinion on this sound card?. hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like the smd ic's are all in a row near the output... it also seems to be a great card & it is bundled with some pro software, it also has add on modules for adding outputs.... I'm not to sure about the software end of this though.... is there something else I should be looking at?

is the problem in trying to find cheap software to do the job or is the problem in just finding anything to do the job? I mean compared to the processor I was considering, I don't mind spending a bit on this really, I'm just not sure if there is a good solution here or not... I'm not interested in trying to find free software with limitations & don't mind paying for pro stuff if it'll definitely do the job...

I know I'm being lazy here & I feel like a friggin n00b, I promise, I will re-read the whole thread & follow all the links & read the forums that are also linked here, but I was hoping someone could just sum up in a nutshell where we stand with this.....

at this point, it looks like my new system will be all pc.... I'm not really sure how enthusiastic I am about this really though, guess I'm looking for a bit of encouragement too

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RedGTiVR6

If at all possible, get a multicore processor. I'm looking to do core 2 duo, but we'll see. I have a Pentium D sitting here on my desk that I might have to end up using if I can't find a Core 2 Duo board that has what I need in the form factor that I need.


Actually, it's Durwood, not Scott_FX..


I considered that card as well...however, it's price, and it's outputs turned me off a bit. Thus the reason I'm going for teh X-Meredian by Auzentech and Durwood is going with a similar card only less $$. Both of the cards we are using have user replaceable OpAmps. Meaning no desoldering required for this step.


I showed Nick the Frequency Allocator this past week at CES. When I asked him what level of tuning this would give us, he compared it to the F1 processor. A good EQ (can find 61 bands relatively easily), Frequency Allocator (will take care of XO points, time alignment, PEQ etc.) and then just need Console or the like for 'internal wire' routing.


hehehe

no hard feelings. I feel your pain. This thread is pretty lengthy. If you haven't been with it since the beginning, it can be too much to read. Once I get this set-up in the car successfully, I'll be posting a finalized thread on it as I hope Durwood will do as well. Keep in mind, I'm not competing in the intermediate class any more. I'm not Advanced Pro in USACi and Pro Street in IASCA. What I'm getting at is that par performance won't cut it for the car. Par performance won't be compeditive like we intend to be.


From my past experience in trying this...and from being the first in the world to win a title, let alone two titles with nothing but a CarPC as the source unit...it's not easy. Not in the least. There's a lot of stuff that has to be sorted out and that has to be done 100% correctly unlike typical car audio where you can get away with some slack or cut corners.

I will say this though. You sound like my husband in this regard. He was really against going all PC 3+ years ago. Back then, all we had was an inverter...no shut down controllers or anything along those lines. Now that we have it all working pretty much flawlessly in the car, he's preaching CarPCs to everyone.

The biggest thing for us? The fact that it's completely unique right now. Sure, there are folks out there running PCs all over the place. But not many running JUST the PC.

As soon as I get paid friday, I'll be making the purchase for the mobo/processor/etc. From there, I'll be testing all of this out. Thing is, we're going to be redoing the front stage. After some thought, we're going away from the L type enclosures we had originally considered and started looking at a set of 3"s with the tweeters and the 5" Kevlars subs in the kicks instead. So we'll be utilizing every output on that sound card.

At first, Nick was quite skeptical...but now he's really excited about it...

If you need more info, just let me know. I'll see if I can provide!

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scott_fx

thank you red...I HAVE A NAME! lol. i just watch this thread closely, i'm letting the experts go at this one. :-)

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turbocad6

sorry scott, I ment "vette dude" with the highest regard

I thought you did burr browns in your soundcard, or had it custom done? could be wrong...

red, I thought a dual core would only benifit 64bit programs that can utilize the tech... I thought it was more geared towards vista & the future... are you sure the dual core will be a significant advantage? I mean of course stuff like a slightly wider buss will be an advantage, but the dual core I'm not to sure about...I really want to stay as energy efficent as I can motherboard wise...

I have been here (this thread) from the beginning, & I'm sure I read every post as it was posted, but I guess my interest wasn't very high as this progressed, so I only absorbed so much... I'll go back & re-read through different eyes this time

thanks for your offer of help... I think I'll need it

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oh..i had burr browns on my (usb) hpdac it's still going to be tested i just am waiting for my system to be complete and for my rca-> xlr converter to come in.

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RedGTiVR6

regarding the technicals of the dual core...I'm not aware of what you've mentioned. Everything I've been told is that since this tuning method will require running multiple programs at the same time, a multi core processor will be beneficial.

I'd be interested to know what others have to say on this....think I'll start a new thread.

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I haven't searched yet, but I think I remember it only being beneficial to 64bit programs.... I'll be looking for the thread you start on this too... I'd rather find out before I sink bucks into this one... these pentium m socket 479's are still over $600 for a 2.2ghz processor..., if dual core is going to be much better I'll go that way I guess, but I gotta check out the chipsets they pair these with & what the difference is in power consuption & heat... the m's are awsome in this regard....

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netchris

Dual core will be a benefit in any multitasking environment.. its the 64 bit part that will only benefit 64bit apps. Anyway, ANY program will benefit from core 2 duo right now since it's the fastest processor out. Intel bins these processors incredibly low too.. I just overclocked a 1.86GHz E6300 to 3GHz--didn't even have to raise the voltage. The CPU is just begging for more, but my RAM is holding me back. You really don't have to go for a mobile processor, the desktop core 2 duos dont suck that much power at all.

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my desktop CPU still sucks 95watts.... If that isn't much to you..... well it is to me. pentium D945.

Oh, and core 2 duo aren't the fastest ones out there.... quadcore is out there already.

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