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Old 02-13-2008, 03:38 PM   #16
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Quote: Originally Posted by Autockr989 View Post
keep in mind if considering a mouse or trackball, when you hit bumps the pointer will be all over the place.

Exactly why the whole "trackball" input method went by the wayside............

Touchpad sucks too as you have to take your attention away from the road too long to do anything. Useful at a stop though.......

Whatever you settle on, make sur eit's something you can operate without looking away from the road (ie: work it by "feel").

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:50 AM   #17
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You can try the imon.

http://www.soundgraph.com/Eng_/Produ...=1&leftMenu=26

You won't have complete control, but if you combine that with the proper keybinding, shortcuts, girder and some compromise, you should have pretty good control of media apps.

Having two knobs help too, you can have one as turn-volume, push-mute and the other as turn-navigate, and push-enter.

I use both and I'm not sure if I would want to give up touchscreen control for better visibility though. Maybe one of those sunlight readable screens is a better compromise?



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Old 02-14-2008, 01:07 PM   #18
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Touchpad sucks too as you have to take your attention away from the road too long to do anything. Useful at a stop though.......
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:59 PM   #19
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:31 PM   #20
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The idea is great, but i wouldnt trust it to the powermate. It is unreliable sometimes which makes life difficult without another input device. I originally wanted to go that rout as well. The only downside is using a control knob to navigate, you will be essentially just rotating it to tab through button choices. That means youll have to watch the screen more to tell where your cursor is.

The powermate is pretty unreliable...many people seem to have difficulty with it not initializing correctly after hibernation/resume.

Also, it is difficult to use a rotary knob like the Powermate that lacks physical indents (that "clicking" sensation felt when turning the control past one position) with a frontend, because you still are forced to look at the screen to determine whether a particular amount of rotation has selected the button you want to activate. With physical indents, the knob can simply be turned a single "clicks" or indents to select the next button by feel alone.

I don't think a touchpad is the ideal solution either, because you still must look at the screen and navigate the cursor (a small visual target) to the appropriate button while contending with the natural motion of the car. A touchscreen does not have this problem, since you touch the visual element that you want to select directly.

The BEST solution in terms of control is probably using individual hardware buttons that are discernible by touch for each function. However, fabrication is much more difficult! A good compromise is to have "soft" hardware buttons that correspond to particular portion of the screen, but change their function depending on the task at hand. For example, a button that always selects the first item in a list, whether that list is displaying music tracks or different modules (music, nav., etc.) within the frontend. I don't know of any front end that supports encoding hardware buttons in that manner, however.


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It wouldn't be as difficult to implement hardware buttons that acted as softkeys as I originally thought. If the hardware buttons were tied to a program that would always "click" at a particular spot on the screen when pressed, then the content of the underlying button wouldn't matter, and there wouldn't need to be native frontend support...just a skin that placed the appropriate screen controls under the click point for each button. It would be very easy to then set up a tabular style interface (similar to the tabs in IE or Firefox), with each "tab" a separate module. If done correctly, much of the burden associated with finding the correct onscreen button to push could be eliminated through sufficient forethought in skin design. One program that could do this is AutoIT, a freeware scripting program that is very easy to use and highly configurable. Done. :-)
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:46 PM   #21
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I don't think a touchpad is the ideal solution either, because you still must look at the screen and navigate the cursor (a small visual target) to the appropriate button while contending with the natural motion of the car. A touchscreen does not have this problem, since you touch the visual element that you want to select directly.

Although not ideal nor do I believe there is any ideal solution, just what is best suited to your needs. The touchpad is a simple elegant solution provided it is placed where it can be easily accessed. The cursor size can be changed making it much easier to see, also when using StreetDeck gestures can be performed much easier on the touch pad than on a touch screen even without looking. You can even bind right click to a function, I have right click bound to a function and simply tap the upper right hand corner of touchpad to toggle voice command (also without looking). The vertical right side of the touch pad is a slider that in can StreetDeck be used to scroll up and down or volume control depending on what you set mouse wheel to in StreetDeck. Not to mention you will never have fingerprints or smudge marks on your screen using a touchpad.

No matter what input device you choose occasionally you will have to take your eyes off the road (even when just using the touch screen) but a good input device will keep this to a minimum
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:20 AM   #22
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Thanks for all the replies!
This is definatley a tricky one, currently the best two options are looking like the 3dconnexions SpaceNavigator or a Touchpad..
My only issue with a touchpad is the pointer always being on screen.. I've played around with RR and found I can use gestures on the touchpad for use without looking at the screen.
Is there any way to have the pointer only appear when the mouse is moving? and then auto hide once it isn't ?
If so it looks like this would be the best method for me!

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what type of touchpads are you using. taken from an old notebook? how could one connect such a thing to a normal pc?
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google search usb touchpads. find your preference by size or functions. I use

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...598&CatId=1919

has hotkeys that can preset functions.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:46 PM   #25
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thx autockr.

sounds very promising to use touchpad as input device. touchscreen is to dangerous while driving (to much focussed during navigation) and too far away to reach quietly with fingers (with the slighest bumps).

still the question remains open if it is possible to use notebook touchbad via usb/serial device and software? anybody knows?

if not where can i get one shipped europe (switzerland) not paying the same amount as for device?
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to above: saw friends new i-drive stick in brand new bmw. wow this is easy to handle.

can we get something similar to this for pc usage?

http://www.autointell.de/europaeisch...t-Detailsm.jpg

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i got a wireless ps3 controllor which im currently trying to map hotkeys with but iguidance is giving me problems
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