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Old 01-27-2007, 12:36 AM   #1
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New Product - Force Feedback (Haptic) Encoder



Mp3Car.com has designed a USB interface for the Immersion TouchSense PR-1000 programmable rotary encoder. This encoder has a lot of potential to improve car computing safety and the user experience. It is electromechanical controlled so that it can provide various sensations such as detents, stops, hills, and varying levels of friction or force enabling users to “feel” their way around car computer applications.

Samples car computer applications:
• Scroll through a playlist with minor “dents” and a more forceful “hill” when reach end of list and start at top again. Push knob in to play song or select.
• Volume control with light “dents” so you can do things like turn the volume up or down “just a notch” with great accuracy
• Scroll through radio presets with firm “dents” so that you don’t accidentally pass over stations because the knob turned too easily
• Zooming on navigation map with hard stop “barriers” when zoomed all the way in or all the way out
• Keyboard to enter navigation address – Scroll across keyboard with slight “hills” in between keys to help you feel around, when on top of correct letter, push to select.

Unit features:
• Entire encoder is 100% software configurable and dynamic
• Support for mutable “scenes” allows different functionally within the same application – use one knob for everything!
• USB bus powered
• Power LED
• Standby power friendly

What the product can do:

Barrier. Sensation of hitting a hard stop. Barrier effects restrict the user’s motion and are useful for indicating first and last items, minimum and maximum, or the edge of an area.


Compound. Two or more effects such as barriers and detents. A compound effect, like small detents with a deeper center detent and barriers on both sides, would be appropriate for a balance control, for example. Compound effects help designers closely match tactile sensations to operational steps, which can enhance usability.


Constant Force. Continuous force independent of position. Constant force can be used to simulate dynamics such as gravity, friction, or momentum.


Detent. Notches associated with selection position. Used to mark fine or coarse increments or selections, detents can be customized in size, shape, and number to suit context-sensitive requirements.


Hill. A plateau style of wide detent. A hill effect could be used for menu wraparound, letting the user know they have moved from last to first menu item. A hill can also be used to indicate a return from a submenu back to the main menu or to signal the crossing of a boundary.

Software:
There is currently no software support for this so we will be giving away encoders to the developers of the major software front ends, just ask me and we'll send you one. We have a driver and a development environment is available.

Availability:
We expect to have a retail product very shortly. Here's a teaser:

Links:
http://www.immersion.com/industrial/...cts/PR1000.php
http://www.appliancedesign.com/CDA/A...100000f932a8c0
http://progressive.playstream.com/im...echcloseup.swf - Video - Fast forward to about 40% to see PR-1000
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:40 AM   #2
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Awesome!!!

This is pretty nifty. I had never even heard of dynamically controlled force knob sort of hardware. I'll buy one when it is ready.
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Old 01-27-2007, 01:03 AM   #3
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this is like what's used in the new s-class... it's pretty impressive, when your in a menu with 3 choices it only turns 3 notches & locks... but when you go to a 5 it changes to suit... really cool & a nice front end setup they use in this car too, the difference is the Benz also can be pushed up down left & right kinda like a joystick, but this thing combined with a joystick base would be exactly the same, I've been trying to source the Benz piece but there just impossible to find...

I would love to play with this, I don't expect you to give me one, but I'd be willing to buy one & play with it...

this is Benz' version:
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Old 01-27-2007, 07:41 AM   #4
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awesome...just in time! I was finally trying to make my capruter easier to use and navigate through. Price??? teaser

I wonder if that's where Alpine got the pulse touch for the flat panel stuff.

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Old 01-27-2007, 10:39 AM   #5
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Price will be just over $100 because of the high cost of the Immersion PR-1000 itself. I setup a pre-order link at: https://store.mp3car.com/ProductDeta...Code=COM%2D045 It should be shipping early next week.

I've also made a $40 off coupon code "pr-1000dev" to use at checkout to drop the price is $79.99 for a limited time.
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anything like the phidget encoder? or does it have more movement than that.

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I don't believe the phidget encoder has any kind of force feedback involved. This device goes above and beyond it.
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oh, and to think I just got the SpaceNavigator Guess I'll be spending some more money ;P
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I ordered the space navigator too, but this can really be used to build something way more tactical... I want to duplicate the benz control by adding left right up & down and a central click... I designed the pivot & it will use microswitches..

the benz is so much nicer than the bmw idrive cause of this tactical feedback...
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this is Benz' version:

Do you happen to have a BMW part number for that knob? I haven't found any decent knobs under $50.
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...I assume there will be full integration with streetdeck?

StreetDeck should eventually support it. Because of StreetDeck’s QA processes and the political nature of assigning new features a priority for development it won’t surprise me if other front ends support it before StreetDeck.
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anything like the phidget encoder? or does it have more movement than that.

It just much more then just a Phidget. They are both encoders but the phidget is an input only device and this Immersion encoder is both an input and output device with feedback to the user's fingers.
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Do you happen to have a BMW part number for that knob? I haven't found any decent knobs under $50.

I already contacted me/be sources, I'll see what I can dig up for BMW too... so far all indications seem that they sell it as a whole module & major bucks...

what knobs have you found over $50? I'm looking at everything for a good knob... haven't found the right thing yet... I've seen some nice knobs on some high end receivers & was thinking I might be able to do something there if there available as service parts maybe... , I'm looking at appliances too
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