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Old 09-01-2007, 05:33 PM   #106
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Updated Procedure 9-8-07

Ok guys, just got done with my Xenarc 700TSV. Actually, just got done putting it back together for a second time. Unfortunatly I won't be able to test it in car for a while as I've decided to make repairs to my bezel while it's out. However, I have tested it in the house using sunbeams coming through the windows and I don't seem to be getting the results changeip got. However, I do see (and read) that the orientation of the film affects viewing angles. So that may be part of whats going on. Once I get it back in the car, we'll have some more solid results. I used 2 sheets of BEF-II in alternating directions(per the instructions), topped off with DBEF-E 0 degree. From my preliminary testing, it doesn't seem to be doing much for sunlight viewing. Maybe the 45 degree DBEF-E was more appropriate after all. My results thus far should not be taken as any kind of definitive proof that the film works or doesn't work. This is the just my results with this particular combo. I'm sure I have the films oriented correctly, because I disassembled the screen and double checked. With that said, lets get into the process I used for this.


First let me say, this isn't for the faint of heart. Having the screen out of its case and separated from the touchscreen board is one thing. Disassembling the LCD is far more involved. Not trying to scare anyone out of it, but just be aware of what you're getting yourself into. With that said, I'm not responsible if you mess up your screen. This process worked for me(so far anyway), but may not necessarily work for you. My screen is a second gen(?) Xenarc with the 4-wire touchscreen. Therefore newer Xenarcs may be different.


I'm starting off from the LCD already being removed and separated from the touchscreen board.
Here you can see the various tabs that need to be pryed back in order to remove the LCD from the metal casing. You also need to pull the connector off that is stuck to the side of the metal casing.


Here are some more tabs that need to be pried back. Be very careful not to damage the ribbon cables. I suggest you use your fingernails rather than a screwdriver.


Once all the tabs have been pried back and you pull the connector off, you can now pull the screen from the metal casing and you should be left with just the LCD and backlight assembly. Next you need to remove the LCD ribbon cable so that you can rotate the LCD out of the way. Here's a close up of the ribbon cable, but it's also pictured in the first pic of this post.


Added 9-8-07: Here you see the screws you need to remove in order to separate the LCD from the backlight. You need to do this in order to get the metal shield around the backlight off. The ones noted with asterisks are ones that are not visible in the pic. They are there and if you look, you can't miss them. I forgot to take a pic when doing this part, so I used an old pic for illustrative purposes.

/9-8-07 Update

Here's a picture of the LCD face up after being removed from the metal casing. and the ribbon disconnected:


You next rotate the LCD up and out of the way, being very careful, not to damage these ribbon cables:



Her you can see the bottom of the LCD. I used my fingernails to gently pry it up and the edge(it is stuck with double sided tape, though the tape on mine was pretty weak).


Updated pic 9-8-07Here you see the LCD rotated out of the way:


Added 9-8-07 Start:
At this point, go ahead and separate the LCD and it's controller board from the backlight. Again, be very careful with the ribbon cables. No pic for this, sorry.

Next we need to remove the metal casing around the backlight. There are 2-3 clips on each edge of the screen that need to be pried away. In the following pics I've illustrated them.





Here the metal casing around the backlight has been removed and you see the top-most pre-installed film. I'm not sure what kind of film this is, but it's kind of opaque.


After removing the top-most film, you're greeted by another film. This film I suspect is BEF.


After removing that film, all thats left is the diffuser sheet.


I cut my pieces of film to 158mm by 97mm. However I did this the first time when I didn't fully disassemble the screen as I should. I recommend the films be cut to the following dimensions if your Xenarc looks like mine: 165mmx101mm. However, I still recommend you take your own measurements.
/ 9-8-07 Update

To cut them I used a piece of MDF as my cutting board along with a square and a VERY sharp X-acto knife.



As you can see I used a felt pen to mark what looks like V's on the film. This was so I knew where the notch in the film was. The notch is used for getting the correct orientation of the film. This is unfortunately where the pics end.


*Note: Others may want to try the steamy bathroom suggestion for a sudo clean room. I did this at my desk and as soon as I pulled off the protective sheets, dust clung to the films. I cleaned them with a slightly damp, eyeglass microfiber rag as best I could and just assembled it anyway. Didn't seem to show any dirt when I fired it up. Your mileage may very though. Definetly don't want any big debris getting there. I also recommend rubber gloves to avoid getting fingerprints on anything.


From here I laid down a piece of the BEF-II over the backlight diffuser with the now imaginary notch in the upper right corner.

Next another piece of BEF-II, cut so that it's rotated 90 degrees from the first piece when mounted. It's the equivalent of rotating the sheet so the notch faces out the side of the top left corner of the screen.

Next the DBEF-E 0 degree was placed on top of the second piece of BEF-II with the imaginary notch in the upper right corner.

After that, the LCD is reinstalled and the disassembly procedure is reversed for re-assembly. I left out the 2 pre-installed films when I re-assembled.


Things I may try differently to improve performance:
1. May remove the second piece of BEF-II and see what happens. Maybe I didn't cut the second piece right and it's oriented the same as first sheet effectively canceling the first sheet out.

2. Try to get some DBEF-E 45 degree. Maybe 45 degree was somehow more appropriate for this application.

3. Try the ESR film .

4. Try the ARMR-200 anti-glare film.

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Old 09-01-2007, 05:43 PM   #107
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I'm still interested in hearing other people's experiences and seeing pics of what others have done.

It's entirely possible I did something wrong and if thats the case, hopefully someone will point it out. I've never disassembled an LCD before, so maybe I was incorrect about what I thought was the backlight and what was the LCD.
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Old 09-01-2007, 06:54 PM   #108
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well i am out delivering now, but it is overcast and raining...

I did notice that the screen seemed more vibrant. It also looks more reflective too. This I suppose is what we want, reflecting the white light of the sun back evenly.

However, it occurred to me, that the BEFII should have a front and back, shouldnt it? One side smooth (faces backlight) the other pyramid grooved (reflective up)... I did not pay attention to which side was which. I do not even know if it matters. of course "grooved" and "smooth" are relative since its on the magnitude of microns!

Anyone know if there are sides, and if so, which is which? Hopefully tomorrow there is some sun.
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Old 09-01-2007, 06:57 PM   #109
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Oh, and if i can find my T9 screwdriver bit, i may do my phone too! Transflective smartphones.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:53 PM   #110
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I was thinking of doing my PPC phone as well. As long as your oriented the BEFII with the notch in the upper right corner, you're fine. Thats how you know the right side is facing forward.
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:14 PM   #111
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yeah, but i cant remember if i left it that way now that i think about it. Because I set it down, then i took the film off and didnt note which corner i marked as the notch because the mark was on the protective film...

I guess if it doesnt work ill just take it apart again and flip it over.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:15 PM   #112
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2k1Toaster might get better results similar to changeip's first LCD.

changeip said his 700TSV looked like it already had film on it.

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It's not looking as easy as I thought, but not too hard. The Lilliput transflective going for $499 makes me want to skip this and just buy an actual trasnflective one. Although the 700TSV seems to be much nicer in the 2008 specs... So guess we have to see a couple more performing LCDs (2k1Toaster's and changeip's, others)

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Old 09-01-2007, 10:48 PM   #113
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Mine is an older Xenarc and definitely didn't have any films already present, unless there was another layer I was supposed to remove. I'd like to see whatever pics/vids from when he took the new 700tsv apart so I can compare to my method. Maybe he'll chime in and give me some feedback. Maybe I didn't delve deep enough.


2k1Toaster: as mentioned in elsewhere in the thread, if you end up disassembling it to check, you can hold the film up to a light and you'll know which way is the right way. If it's wrong it seems to block a lot of the light. I would think if it was installed wrong, it would probably be pretty obvious though.

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Old 09-01-2007, 10:50 PM   #114
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Quote: Originally Posted by Phatsacks View Post
2k1Toaster might get better results similar to changeip's first LCD.

changeip said his 700TSV looked like it already had film on it.

Edit:

It's not looking as easy as I thought, but not too hard. The Lilliput transflective going for $499 makes me want to skip this and just buy an actual trasnflective one. Although the 700TSV seems to be much nicer in the 2008 specs... So guess we have to see a couple more performing LCDs (2k1Toaster's and changeip's, others)

Where'd you find the lilli transflective for $499?
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:59 PM   #115
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Motorcity is selling the Lilliput 701 transflective for $499

But the Xenarc 701TSV does have 500 brightness vs Lilliput's 400, and Xenarc has 400 contrast ratio, vs Lilliput's 200.

Xenarc also has 5-wire.

So the other $200 may or may not be worth it. I'd like to see both screens side by side. Or just order the TSV and do the 3m upgrade myself. Pretty on the fence with it all now. (Lilliput prices were just changed last week apparently)
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Where did you get this info out of curiosity? The last update I seen (7-23-07) said the 701 was $619. For $499 I'm very tempted to buy one and do yet ANOTHER bezel. Though I don't really care for the looks of the 701.

Edit: Nevermind, yousaid liliput prices changed last week.

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Wow, they dropped prices two weeks in a row. Maybe I'll ride the fence and see if the prices come down anymore. The jury is still out on the vikuiti for me. Once I get the screen back in the car I'll make my call on that and figure out where i'm going to go from there.

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Well all the transflective screen is, is reflective films such as this, and then a touchscreen with a very low glass reflectance rate.

For instance, the regular run of the mill touchscreen has a reflective rate of 4%-6%. Transflective screens can go down to reflective rates of 0.6% which is what the "enhanced touchscreen" is.

So if you can source the touchscreen and the 3M for less than $200 and like DIY, this will work exactly the same. Since most of us will still be using the standard touch panel, we will get less of a result.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Homebrew View Post
2k1Toaster: as mentioned in elsewhere in the thread, if you end up disassembling it to check, you can hold the film up to a light and you'll know which way is the right way. If it's wrong it seems to block a lot of the light. I would think if it was installed wrong, it would probably be pretty obvious though.

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Yeah I figure it would be dimmer if I put it in the wrong way. Because the backlight would be reflected back down... But if there was no where to go, chaos theory suggests the photons would eventually find a way out after bouncing around everywhere, so it could just do nothing... So if I see no improvement or worse, then I will know it is wrong.
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:53 PM   #120
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3m sells anti-glare touchscreens

But the cost of films (outside free samples) and the touchscreen (who knows), it's not a whole lot more to buy it pre-done (and safer!)

Still need to decide on the 700TSV vs 701

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