Sunlight-Readable Monitor for Fishing Boat - Page 2

marcram · 06-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Fiberoptic

Being in my office now, I was able to look up the part.
panavise 809
http://www.amazon.com/Panavise-809-C.../dp/B000246ST6

Thanks. Looks interesting.

colin · 06-30-2009, 10:05 PM

So did we ever determine if there was a difference between MP3Car's screen and Mo-Co-So's screen? The prices are significantly different for the 629GL from MP3Car, the 629GL from MoCoSo, and the EBY701 from MoCoSo.

2k1Toaster · 06-30-2009, 10:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by colin

So did we ever determine if there was a difference between MP3Car's screen and Mo-Co-So's screen? The prices are significantly different for the 629GL from MP3Car, the 629GL from MoCoSo, and the EBY701 from MoCoSo.

I am fairly certain the mp3car screen is the only screen on the market that is fully transflective. They cant just order them, they send them out to be done.

I very much doubt that they can do the same full bonding process for that price and make money. You get what you pay for.

marcram · 06-30-2009, 10:16 PM

I hate to say it Fiberoptic (you have been a great help to me and I really appreciate it ... and I have bought most of the boatputer parts from you), but I finally went with the mo-co-so optically-bonded unit. The guy there made me feel confident about his product. As we all know, transflective is a misleading term, but what really sold me was the optical bonding. To my knowledge, this will set the unit apart. Not sure if all units use this technology, but seems to be on the high-end unit at mo-co-so for sure. Plus, he said that there wasn't a difference between the 629 and the 701, so I ended up spending $600 for the 701. The back of the unit is more flat as well, so it should be easier to mount with the universal ram mount that I bought. If this performs well on a boat with total sunlight, I will be able to vouch for it. I'll be reviewing this product and will hopefully have only good things to say and share with you guys.

I will be customizing it a bit. I have to make the connections that stay on the boat at all times waterproof. I am thinking of permanently installing the power and the centronics connectors and using plasti-dip to seal them to protect from corrosion. I may cut the power and centronics connector and add a shielded/waterproof connector so that the unit can be easily removed. Thoughts?

marcram · 06-30-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

I am fairly certain the mp3car screen is the only screen on the market that is fully transflective. They cant just order them, they send them out to be done.

I very much doubt that they can do the same full bonding process for that price and make money. You get what you pay for.

The mocoso vendor seems to think otherwise about the price. I'll post some details about how they do their screen, but he has also sent them out and applies different levels of upgrades for the three levels of monitors he has. I'll post what he sent me.

colin · 06-30-2009, 10:18 PM

Please give a review as soon as you can!

MP3Car uses optical bonding too, thats why Im wondering why the price difference is so steep!

marcram · 06-30-2009, 10:31 PM

Mo-co-so
MCS-701-TFE3 vs. MCS-629-TFE3

"With the exception of the outer plastic housing and price they are the same monitor. They use the exact same hardware inside of them. The 629's cost more to start with so we have to pass that along. The front panels are plastic on both not aluminum."

"There are only 2 types of films and 1 touch panel that work with that monitor."
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"We spent thousands of dollars in research before releasing our monitors just doing tests with every possible combination of transflective films. In the end you can only make them so bright with the films."
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"The touch panel ... has AG coating on the front and circular polarizers on the bottom of it. These polarizers are important because they shift the incoming light 180 degrees out of phase which cancles them out, rather then letting them penetrate the LCD panel. Here are some comparison shots that need to be added to the product page. As the saying goes a picture speaks 1000 words. All of the shots were taken in direct sunlight through an untinted window at the same resolution and brightness/constast ratio.
http://www.mo-co-so.com/~photos/Moni...ts/montage.jpg
These were taken under halogen lighting and you can really see the difference in clarity of the image with the close up shots
http://www.mo-co-so.com/~photos/Moni...Shots/Set%201/
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"Although I will not say exactly what we are doing I can assure you that we get the bonding done on all of our monitors by the same firm. It is a full bond, not a cheaper gasketed one, and it is silicone based not epoxy based. I can also assure you that the hardware inside of the 701 and the 629 is exactly the same, actually the PCB button board is a different shape."
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"There is actually a lot of science involved in making a monitor truly transflective. Anyone can get some films put in the LCD panel but that only increases the brightness and does nothing to address the glare. It took almost 6 months to perfect what we have now. I will look at the xenarc monitor but I dont theink we will be offering it anytime soon."

marcram · 07-01-2009, 12:48 AM

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Optical bonding is a very expensive process and it can only be done by a handful of firms in the country. It adds a ton of benefits to the end product making it more rugged because you are actually bonding a very thin piece of glass to the LCD panel it becomes much harder to break the panel, by elminating the air gap between the top of the LCD panel and the bottom of the touch panel you increase the ability for heat produced from the LCD panel to dissapate through the touch panel. That means less heat trapped at the back of the monitor where it can shorten the life of the components on the control board. Most importantly it further reduces the reflection down to a minimum 99.8% glare free. Here is another pic that speaks 1000 words.
http://www.mo-co-so.com/~photos/Opti...percentage.jpg
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We have to send them out to get the work done. It actually takes 7 weeks to build one of these from start to finish, 6 weeks of that time is actually waiting for the touch panels to be produced and imported. They are a speciality item and not even the MFG carries stock.
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colin · 07-01-2009, 04:11 AM

What I want to see is a comparison between the MoCoSo upgrade and the MP3Car upgrade... they can't be the SAME, but with a $100 difference, could it be worth the quality diff?

marcram · 07-01-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by colin

What I want to see is a comparison between the MoCoSo upgrade and the MP3Car upgrade... they can't be the SAME, but with a $100 difference, could it be worth the quality diff?

Anyone want to send me their mp3car transflective to find out? : )

marcram · 07-03-2009, 10:45 AM

As mentioned, I ordered a ram mount to install the eby-701. The reason for this was to allow it to be easily removed from the boat when not in use.

However, I recently ran across the navpod line of marine enclosures. They have "uncut" units that can be cut to the size of the opening. Here are some pics:

Here it is with something installed:

I think this may be a very good way to marine-proof the eby-701. I won't have much use for the buttons, so those could be removed and sealed. I could apply a silicone gasket between the touchscreen and the front bezel (would this interfere with touchscreen operation?), and I could remove the back bezel and seal the front bezel to the front of the surface with some silicone. Does this sound feasible? It doesn't seem like marine manufacturers are doing anything much different than this to ruggedize their unit. I disassembled my Xenarc last night to verify that the back panel can be removed, leaving the front panel, the lcd, and the circuit boards as a single unit. I also noticed that the button coupling device can be completely removed and then sealed with something like plasti-dip. In fact, the entire bezel could also be sealed with the plasti-dip spray. As far as heat dissipation goes, there will be a hole between under the center console and inside the navpod where the electronics will be. Also, the screen is optically bonded, so it will be more rugged and will dissipate heat through the screen itself. Thoughts? Am I overlooking something?

marcram · 07-03-2009, 10:54 AM

See attachment for what the final may look like. Any ideas on finding the silicone material to make a gasket?

marcram · 07-03-2009, 11:03 AM

Here is a better description:

trader007 · 07-07-2009, 07:17 PM

marcram- the eby701 comes with a similar stand, although its not enclosed/waterproof it does allow for quick removal and install (just push a button on back, and it pops off its mount). but that one does look nice as it would keep moisture out of the screen.

to seal the buttons, i wonder if you could get some clear heatshrink tubing, like 5" stuff and just cut it like at a 2" width... then wrap it around the end of the screen over the buttons and shrink her down.

marcram · 07-07-2009, 07:29 PM

With the vibration/jarring that the boat has compared to a car, I'm afraid the clip-on mount will be insufficient. I just got the transflective display in today. Do you guys think that a silicon foam gasket between the screen and the front bezel will affect it's touch screen operation?

Thanks

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