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09-06-2003, 05:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by C4M
Having bought screens from both Dave & Armen, I can vouch for the fact that although they are small operations, the service from both is fantastic.
If you're unsure about the quality of a supplier to whom you're about to send a chunk of your hard earned cash, take the time to send them an email to ask some questions. If they are serious/interested in their little business, then they'll get back to you. Bear in mind that they are little businesses - they don't have an army of email-bots sitting there waiting to hear from you.
One of the things that royally p155es me off is the fact that people launch their "I ordered via email 3 minutes ago and Armen/Dave hasn't called me yet" threads, simply because both suppliers post here.
Take a pill people, and take your troubles to the vendor - not only does your impatience give the impression of poor customer service (which is wholly undeserved), but it means we have to endure pointless threads like this one.
God I hope someone locks this thread. Deletion would be even better.
Which displays did you end up buying, and why did you buy two? Any likes or dislikes about them?
While I agree with you comments that people seem impatient, and perhaps all the posts from people about unresponsiveness from different distributors are unwarranted, there is a point here and from the replies, I'm glad I made the post. There is quite a spectrum of opinions here.
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09-06-2003, 05:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by HomeSpecial
Look below. I'm not angry with the groups opinion but I think you'll see the proof below that there are real issues and that the post (weather the first or the 25th) is valid. Many of these did not have solutions except to send the unit back or continue to wait for said product without an update. All of these came on the first page of threads and I saw a lot more of these than what I placed below. Don't be saying that its an idiotic post or that your "flaming" someone. Listen to him/her as you do others and respond in kind. I stated my opion as I get into this arena and I agree with some of what is said. No reason to be harsh....just state that DSCustoms is great or WWDigital is great and let it be........ Overall I see a poor customer response for Xenarc than any of the others.
What is great about this list is that you experts/semi-experts have been extremely helpful and literally have saved me thousands of dollars I would have waisted otherwise. So no hard feelings and thanks again for the support.
John, Newbie/Hardcore researcher.
Proof:
1. "I bought my screen directly from xenarc a year ago and I was suprised when I opened the case and things (wires etc) where attached by scotch tape, not electrical, to other boards."
2. “Now my $400 screen has crapped out. I cut the plug to hook up the screen to my vehicle.”
3. “After waiting 5 weeks for the 700TS to arrive plus £70.00 VAT I plugged into my own adapter 240v in 14v dc 0.8a out and all has worked fine for about 3 days then today the picture started flickering and a burning smell followed by smoke, I disconnected the power and am letting it cool down.”
4. “I bought a 7 inch touch screen from digww and when I turned it on all I got was a white screen. I emailed and got no response for 2 weeks, so I finally opened her up and found a ribbon cable that was not holding a secure connection. It took a lot of electrical tape, but it is holding for now... never did hear back though...”
5. “I *just* got my new GAIN 7" touch-screen monitor from Xenarc - ordered from xenarcdirect.com. I ordered the 700-TS (USB version).
It is DOA - I plugged it in, and nothing happens. My multimeter says the power supply is good, my intuition tells me I've been screwed again.
Xenarc's # is busy.”
and so on and so on........
Thanks John, that is a good summary for anyone who hasn't been reading the forum carefully. And this isn't the only forum where you will find posts like these. What sparked this is that my coworker bought a Xenarc and his cable wouldn't work at all unless he held it in place with his fingers while it was on. That was the point at which I began to question laying down $500 for a Xenarc. The Lilliput screens started to look good, but it's very hard to find someone that sells them nearer to the Chinese import price, which can be between $200-$275 USD per unit. I guess you can sit back and listen to people tell you that you should pay $550 for a $200 screen, but it can't possibly cost $300 per unit to import them.
Perhaps we should get together a group buy of Lilliput screens and touchscreen kits. The only question would be, where would we get the cases from?
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09-06-2003, 05:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by digitalww
Couple of questions for you:
Prices are high compared to what?
Where did you get that nobody is getting their orders?
Which photos look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape?
All touch screens start off as kits and what is wrong with that?
Xenarc does exactly what we do except with more money.
Some how you made everything look so bad and unattractive. I am just not sure why there are so many satisfied customers 
Hey Armen,
I'm not intended to be critical of your particular product; but if you'd like specifics, I'm referring to the in-dash LCD (which I was interested in) photo of the bright red cover with the black cable running into the mount. Why not use the black cover that it will ship with? I would assume you have at least one in stock to photograph, right? Why is the exposed flex cable wrapped in electrical tape? If the cable flexes everytime it goes in and out of the mount, it will wear out very quickly.
Thanks!
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09-06-2003, 06:26 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: SoCal
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Quote: Originally Posted by vairox
...are these places REALLY in the business of offering a quality product, or in the business of making money?
This is funny, business is all about making money. The only reason a busisness offers a quality product is to make more money. Some busisness only offer crap products, but do so to make money. Different approaches, differnet markets, but same goals.
If nobody buys any of these $400 screens because of any reason, the business will not be able to make enough money to keep going and will be gone in short time. The market will decide that.
Unless you have a source for better and cheaper LCDs, I'll be dropping $400 in the next week or so.
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09-06-2003, 07:43 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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Quote: Originally Posted by phc
This is funny, business is all about making money. The only reason a busisness offers a quality product is to make more money. Some busisness only offer crap products, but do so to make money. Different approaches, differnet markets, but same goals.
i'm reffering to the third sentence above.
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Unless you have a source for better and cheaper LCDs, I'll be dropping $400 in the next week or so.
i do, but there are certain undesirables i wouldn't want taking advantage of the deal...some people just cant play nice.
btw, those $400 screens are "probably" better, i mean...they cost more so they HAVE to be...right? if that offers any peace of mind.
i searched the net high and low for over a week, my suggestion is to check chinese/taiwanese manufacturers, a FEW will deal directly with you...we have gotten stuff directly for very cheap, but most refer you to a local reseller....where you will pay $400 for a 7" screen.
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09-06-2003, 08:12 PM
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Newbie
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Lilliput Screens
Spectrumzz,
You made this comment: "The Lilliput screens started to look good, but it's very hard to find someone that sells them nearer to the Chinese import price, which can be between $200-$275 USD per unit."
I saw they had a ton on Ebay but they were not touch screens. However, if they make a touch screen for $250 I'd be willing to try it.
Maybe those people from ebay can help find what I need. They've also got the bracket I need for $9. I got the link here: Maybe I need to dig further to get to China. I've got some freinds who I'll ask if they have some connections.
http://www.weekdayshopper.com/shop/lilliput-lcd.cfm
Thanks for mentioning it,
John
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09-07-2003, 01:45 AM
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wow, $189 ???? w/ tuner? TFT? why arent these $400 ???
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09-07-2003, 01:47 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Chaska, MN
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Quote: Originally Posted by vairox
wow, $189 ???? w/ tuner? TFT? why arent these $400 ???
dude grow up
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09-07-2003, 02:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by freestyler
dude grow up
just asking, i asked this question once and was told "if you cant afford it blah blah" no one stopped to think "hey maybe im getting burned for $300?"
did you? don't take your anger about getting burned out on me man, understandably i was a bit surprised seeing the $189 price for something thats being snatched up at a $400 price...admittedly i couldn't even find this screen in my searching, but 7" is a bit small...
HOMEspecial did his HOMEwork.
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09-07-2003, 02:28 AM
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dude that's a NTSC/PAL input, meaning COMPOSITE, meaning LOOKS LIKE CRAP
I did my homework, I bought a cheap *** screen and it was a POS
the $400 screens have this thing called "VGA" input which is 100x better than composite
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09-07-2003, 02:32 AM
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I'm sorry, and you are....?
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ruston, LA
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vairox, maybe if you changed the style of your questions to be less adversarial (sp), people would respond to them in a more civilized manner.
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09-07-2003, 02:44 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: SoCal
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Quote: Originally Posted by vairox
just asking, i asked this question once and was told "if you cant afford it blah blah" no one stopped to think "hey maybe im getting burned for $300?"
did you? don't take your anger about getting burned out on me man, understandably i was a bit surprised seeing the $189 price for something thats being snatched up at a $400 price...admittedly i couldn't even find this screen in my searching, but 7" is a bit small...
HOMEspecial did his HOMEwork.
Good deals on Ebay, but I only found 1 Liliput LCD that had VGA input.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=32826
Its $325. By the time I add a touchscreen, I'm at $425.
It appears you came up short in proving that there are better deals to be found. I'm not saying they don't exist, but either "show me the money" or stop babbeling like an overexcited highschooler about getting ripped off.
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09-07-2003, 03:17 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Quote: Originally Posted by spectrumzz
Which displays did you end up buying, and why did you buy two? Any likes or dislikes about them?
I bought a 5.6" in dash composite from Dave, and replaced it with a 7" in dash widescreen from Armen. I don't have the same need for VGA as others here, as my interface is sufficiently large & bold that I can get away without the fine detail.
The 5.6" was fine, and the only reason why I replaced it was because the 7" was bigger and fit into the same size hole.
Quote: Originally Posted by spectrumzz
While I agree with you comments that people seem impatient, and perhaps all the posts from people about unresponsiveness from different distributors are unwarranted, there is a point here and from the replies, I'm glad I made the post. There is quite a spectrum of opinions here.
If you'd done a little more research, you'd find that the Gain screens and the Xenarc screens are in fact internally identical. As a result, there is no difference between Xenarc and DSCustoms except for price and service. Once again, I can't complain about either. Dave makes a point of holding spares if required - this was certainly the case with the 5.6" screen that I bought off him previously.
The same can be said for Armen. He responded acceptably (even though I am in Australia, and therefore miles away), sending a spare part for the enclosure that I needed.
I restate my earlier comment. If you're unsure about a supplier, why not start a conversation with them? Talking to someone is the best way to get to know them.
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09-07-2003, 03:37 AM
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Low Bitrate
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Quote: Originally Posted by C4M
I bought a 5.6" in dash composite from Dave, and replaced it with a 7" in dash widescreen from Armen. I don't have the same need for VGA as others here, as my interface is sufficiently large & bold that I can get away without the fine detail.
The 5.6" was fine, and the only reason why I replaced it was because the 7" was bigger and fit into the same size hole.
If you'd done a little more research, you'd find that the Gain screens and the Xenarc screens are in fact internally identical. As a result, there is no difference between Xenarc and DSCustoms except for price and service. Once again, I can't complain about either. Dave makes a point of holding spares if required - this was certainly the case with the 5.6" screen that I bought off him previously.
The same can be said for Armen. He responded acceptably (even though I am in Australia, and therefore miles away), sending a spare part for the enclosure that I needed.
I restate my earlier comment. If you're unsure about a supplier, why not start a conversation with them? Talking to someone is the best way to get to know them.
C!
I am aware they are identical (GAIN and Xenarc are just labels for the same OEM hardware, I did my homework  ). I think I'm going to try one of Armen's screens and see how it works out. I'll definitely let you know how it works out.
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09-07-2003, 05:28 PM
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Newbie
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 36
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frodobaggins - thats probably it, i'm not trying to be a dick or anything...
freestyler - yes, video graphics array, but does it truly make that much of a diff on a TFT screen? i have a POS 7" STN and it indeed looks like crap, but i just figured it was cause it was STN and not TFT.
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