800X1280 narrowscreen??? - Page 15

turbocad6 · 02-21-2006, 05:35 PM

nah, those marlboro's are a few days worth....

I bought another alpine d300 headunit on ebay..... then plugged it in.... SAME THING!!! just a white screen....... then I tried the little dc-dc converter box that came with the head.... it works!!! that was the whole problem.... so now I have a spare d300 headunit

the alpine tech support guy said it can't be the dc-dc converter.... if that went bad the head wouldn't function at all... he was WRONG..... cost me close to $400 to find this out the hard way....

I hate it when tech support sucks.... alpines usually o.k....

lostreception · 02-21-2006, 05:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

nah, those marlboro's are a few days worth....

I bought another alpine d300 headunit on ebay..... then plugged it in.... SAME THING!!! just a white screen....... then I tried the little dc-dc converter box that came with the head.... it works!!! that was the whole problem.... so now I have a spare d300 headunit

the alpine tech support guy said it can't be the dc-dc converter.... if that went bad the head wouldn't function at all... he was WRONG..... cost me close to $400 to find this out the hard way....

I hate it when tech support sucks.... alpines usually o.k....

i usually play tech support best of 3 wins
i call till i get the same answer 3 times then i do it lol
sorry to hear u had a simple problem turn into a big one
why not mount a second one in the back seat

dmcdlrn · 02-21-2006, 06:01 PM

lol, thats a good idea.. 3 in a row... as for the screen... if it was me... that tech guy would be buying it or giving me something.

turbocad6 · 02-21-2006, 06:17 PM

yeah, I half thought of that, but I'm going for a rear pc.... I lready set the truck up for networking with a kr1 wireless router & a networked netgear hardrive array

I might just sell it back on ebay... or just keep it as a spare for parts...

dmcdlrn · 02-21-2006, 09:08 PM

hack it up and use it for something... thats what I would do probably.

turbocad6 · 05-04-2006, 12:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

.............it works o.k. as-is, looks great from the drivers point of view, but looks "funny" & almost inverted from the passengers viewpoint unless they lean in a little..... I want to get it perfect.... wish me luck.... theres a pretty high probability of toasting this screen in this step final step...

well I knew it, even back then....

I left the screen intact until right after a local meet that we just had..... again at that meet I was constantly made aware of the fact that from the passengers side the screen looks "funny".... I was actually telling people that were checking it out "here, look at it from the drivers seat..." the universal concensus was pretty much all the same, it would be awsome if it looked like that from the other side.... Especially since I even have a keyboard above both the drivers & passengers side visors..

I have been putting off trying to fix this for a long time because I knew that there was a high probability of damaging the lcd.....

I even contacted several companys about sending out the screen to have this done professionally, which I always thought would be worse case....

all of the companys I contacted pretty much told me the same thing, it isn't as simple as just changing out the filter layers in the lcd... I always was under the impression it was... the polariser for the lcd isn't even inside the lcd.... it is attached to the glass in front of the lcd..... while it is possible to replace the polariser it isn't a magical cure all for viewing angle correction.... & for the large part the viewing angles are more determined by the actual construction & design of the lcd itself.... bottom line, no one would be able to tell me with any certainty at all how much better they could make the viewing angle improve, if even at all.....

the best quotes came from a company that told me they could take the screen & test it & play with it..... it wouyld cost me several hundred just for exploritory & testing..... IF they could come up with a decent corse of action with the screen, it would amount to around $700 all said & done, & even at that, they couldn't really tell me that $700 will solve my problem, the opinion was that it was pretty likely that it wouldn't!!!

after spending a lot of time doing a lot of research & talking to quite a few different companys, I decided that I was going to take it apart anyway & change the guts the way I originally planned...... worse case I just have to get a new better lcd right?......it should be so simple

soooo... to make a long story even longer... I took the screen apart, changed over the guts.... reassembled & tested..... it looked exactly the same.... a bit brighter actually with the cut down guts of the 17" fujitsu panel, but the viewing angle was the same..... at this point I started playing with different combinations of sheets from both the donor screen & the original.... in & out several times..... it was only a matter of time before I started getting lines in the panel.... then half of the display went out........ toasted.... I kinda expected this even at this point... & to tell you the truth I wasn't even upset, I almost think I subconsiously destroyed it on purpouse, knowing that it just isn't acceptable at this point...... I have to fix the screen to the point that I am satisfied with it.... & as it was I just ain't satisfied.....

turns out that there are only 4 different lcd's in manufacture today that use this 800X1280 12.1" widescreen type display.... & out of the 4 different screens only one other was used in the dell 700m, it's a samsung..... & the viewing angles are pretty much just as ****ty as the au optronics panel I have now.....

so now the delema..... I can get another panel to replace this broken one, get it back in & be where I was..... just admit defeat & settle..... my wife really could care less if she can see the screen..... but it's not about that...... I care!

research screens..... I've spent alot of time doing this.... & the sad thing is, I can actually have what I want..... just not with the 700m & not with the 12.1" widescreen....

SOOOOO, the options for me now are to just replace the panel for a few hundred, OR..... something quite abit more radical.... to the tune of ripping everything out & starting over on a 3rd version of my install......., including bying a latest greatest sunlight viewable 160 deg. all around viewing angle tablet...... it won't be a wide screen & I'd have to redo the bezel a bit to acomidate a 12.1" standard 4:3 screen.... still portrate mode at 768X1024...

hmm.... decisions, decisions..... wish I could just settle for what I had, but it just isn't good enough for me I guess..... still deciding on my next course of action.... any thoughts.... besides telling me that i'm nuts... I already know that

turbocad6 · 05-05-2006, 10:15 AM

there seems to be only one real chioce when it comes to wide angle lcd's in a size small enough for my dash.... check here to see what I'm talking about.......

one of the hottest uses of these hydis wide angle lcd's is in the new fujitsu t4020 tablet..... boasting 160 deg. viewing angles both left & right, as well as up & down.....

I just ordered a t4020 tablet from fujitsu... & I got it with the optional indoor/outdoor screen... transflective.... with 160 deg. viewing angles all around...., these displays are supposed to be really awsome.... when I get it I'll play with it in the car... I'm not saying that I'm going to butcher this new tablet to install it in my car.... but the possibility is there..... I do want to add another pc anyway.... the dell that I have in the dash now can serve as second pc with this tablet becoming primary...

I really am still looking for a suitable replacement for my screen.... & if I can find something it would be a whole lot cheaper & easier to go that route..

the panel I have now is rated at 40/40/20/40 viewing angles.... that is left/right/up/down.... in my install up is right..... so the 20 deg viewing angle to the right is my problem.... it was great from the drivers side with only 40 deg.... so what I need is something with at least 40 deg up & down... so the passengers side can look as good as the drivers...

still researching......

it may even be possible for me to have the tablet "dock" in the dash.... without having to butcher it... & to be removable.... might be too big for that though.... I'll see...

alti · 05-06-2006, 01:50 AM

TC, I am sorry to here about the the screen, I almost feel partly responible as one of your viewing angle conversations at the meet was with me

I dont know how much help this might be, especailly since you have the table comming with basicly the same viewing properties, but Ibm has a technology they have been useing on there recent laptops called flexview. I have it on my t42 and I can attest to the fact you can see the screen from any angle, if i can see any part of the actual lcd, I can see what is displayed on it. The resolution is rediculously high (mine is 1400 x 1050 on a 15" 4:3) which might be a hinderance in a car, but as far as viewing angle its insane.

I have not looked into it but there is a new Z series offered in 16:9 screen formats, perhapes one of them would be the right size to replace the screen you had.

Here is a link to an artical on flexview.

alti · 05-06-2006, 02:06 AM

I just did alittle homework and found out my idea is no good

1- the z series only comes in 14 and 15 inch

2- there x series has a 12" but it is 4:3 not 16:9 without flexview

EDIT: there is however a flexview 12" x60 tablet (170 degree viewing angle all directions) but it is still 4:3 and not 16:9

turbocad6 · 05-06-2006, 03:23 AM

15" screens are easier to get with wide viewing angles....most smaller laptop screens suck as soon as you start to look at them from above,

there is no panel in 12.1 wxga with anything better than 20 deg on the up direction.BOE hydis is currently developing a 65/65/65/65 1 ch lvds screen that might work if I can sort the wiring schematics.... but it's still under development... I spoke to a guy there who kinda spoke english & he's saying maybe 3rd qtr .. but they'll contract the oem's & I may not be able to really get my hands on one for a real long time

the laptop/tablet/ convertable I got has what's supposed to be a sweet screen... 160 all 4 ways..indoor/outdoor screen... you will be able to see the image good even from outside the car.... this will make a huge difference in the overall install & just make it right...

my rear dropdown screen is also a wide angle screen at 170 deg... it looks awsome no matter where you are.... even outside beside the truck.... the screen I broke sucked in comparison looking at it from the side...

I'm a little unsure about using a 12.1 non-wide because it will be wider in portrait mode, & be wider than the inside edge of everything else in my whole center console.... the 12.1 wide just fit so perfect, like it was made for it... I can pull of expanding the area, but I'm not too sure I want to do that....

I could get a 10.4" 4:3 to fit perfect, but that's as small as I'd want to go, & the screen choices in this size are nearly imposible to get your hands on, toshiba makes one panel, hydis makes another... but no one has them.... & even if they did, the panel will be over $400 alone... maybe $500...I won't be able to drive the panel from the on board lvds anyway, because the firmware used in the video card won't be correct... the only panels I can drive suck

going vga it would then be possible to get a board to drive the screen,maybe.... & if you did the setup's gonna be over $700-$800 said & done ..... I won't be able to see my machine post on the screen anymore using it as an external monitor

the best way to get a kick *** screen & everything necissary to drive it & use it may be to buy a complete machine....

this
is the tablet
I got the tablet at a real cheap price... ebay auction & from fujitsu direct.... it's referbished & has a 90 day warentee.... I'f I reallly decided to install it I'd void the warrenty way before 90 days...

taking into acount this screen alone would be around $800 IF I could even get my hands on it & everything else necissary.... add to that the fact that it includes a great pentium M pc... 1.73 w/533 fsb. runs ddr2... and tablet edition,... a legal copy at that

I want to add another pc anyways....

all I can say before seeing it in my hands at this point is maybe...

all I really want is a perfect display... that's it....

turbocad6 · 05-06-2006, 03:39 PM

put the 8" lilli back in today temp'd with duct tape.... boy was I spoiled with that broken screen... it looks like total crap in comparison.... I don't even think I'll be browsing & reading on my way into work until I get a good lcd back in here

I'm still seriously considering just getting a replacement panel & living with it the way it was.... it WAS awsome from the drivers perspective.... perfect really...... we'll see...

I have a toughbook that I use for work & the thoughts behind getting that fujtsu tablet are to maybe replace the toughbook.... with also the thought of maybe in the car.....

as you can see I don't know what I'm doing with this yet...

Arathranar · 05-08-2006, 10:20 AM

I'm thinking the Motion LS800 would make a wonderful all-in-one car PC if it only had a touch screen:
Daylight readable screen (if you pay for that option).
Built in battery so you could use standby rather than hibernate.
Built in docking connector on the bottom that could be used for other USB devices.
Fast mobile chip.
Reasonably sized shock-resistant hard drive.

turbocad6 · 05-08-2006, 11:22 AM

I've been looking at the motion tablets too... this fujitsu I got has the same BOE Hydis lcd.... that's the real key to these tablets... the screen itself....

only motion & fujitsu are using them (of the major manufactures anyway), the ibm x41 tablet has similar tech, but I don't think they use the hydis lcd.... wide viewing angles on smaller screens are just now coming into play.....

I agree that a tablet like this can be an excellent install if you have the space (I do).....

I did get to see the fujitsu that I bought in person for the first time this weekend at a compusa... it wasn't on so I didn't see the screen in action, but in looking at the laptop/convertable/tablet/whatever I don't think I would want to use it as a replacement for my toughbook.... it's not sleek at all.... it feels kind of cheap in comparison... this increases the likelyhood of it being installed in the car alot..... even if I fell in love with the tablet concept & wanted it to replace my toughbook I may look for an alternative for that, maybe the x41 tablet... I've had ibm's before & they are awsome.... maybe a little spartan, but quality you can feel, & for some strange reason, an ibm laptop just feels better integrated with windows than any other laptop I used... can't explain it really...

I checked out all the laptops in compusa & they ALL suffer from these horible viewing angle issues... as soon as you go slightly off axis up or down the screen looks like crap..... by using portrait mode this becomes very obvious & is a big problem for portrait use, which is why manufactures are now starting to address the issue....

I am curious as to how well there "view anywhere" screen works as-is... if it is really good in the sun I may not even have to use my luxeon setup any more.... I'm already considering what to do with them to reuse them, if it comes to that.... but I could still add them to the 12.1" hydis screen if necissary.... I guess we'll see when I get this... hopefully tommorow....

turbocad6 · 05-09-2006, 02:10 PM

I just got the tablet.... the screen looks better indoors than I expected, much better actually.... it looks like a normal regular lcd.... I'm happy about that, I was worried it'd have that transflective look that I've seen on older transflective laptops I've had.... well one itronix really... but it's much much better...

viewing angles are pretty good.... I don't know if I'd say perfect, but night & day compared to regular lcd's....

now for the sunlight viewability...... it is viewable in the sun...... but not in the same way my original screen was.... my original screen was just BRIGHT.... no matter what.... this screen is dim in the sun..... viewable for sure, but in a dim kinda way.... you can see it no problem, but it doesn't have the same look as a high brite screen......

I just got it & need to play with it more to make a decision as to what I'm going to do with it...... I might prop it in the dash & use it like that for a few days to see.... if I can keep it unbutchered & dockable it would be sweet I guess, well see

turbocad6 · 05-10-2006, 12:36 AM

played with it tonight in the car... the viewing angles are great.. no matter where you are in or out of the vehicle you can see the screen great....... the difference is so much that I now know this is the screen I want in my dash, the original really sucked compared to this one except for the brightness

I found a new screen for the dell really cheap on ebay today so I now have a replacement coming for that, but even so, after seeing this screen in action..... this fujitsu is going in the car......

even at night though, I can see that this screen is not as bright as my alpine screen, which is around 400 nits or so... I'll see what it looks like during the day, I'd really like to be able to mount the whole tablet in one piece.. make it nice to take it indoors & set it up & stuff.. but if it's going to look too dim then it'll get chopped & gut the lcd for the luxeons... at this point I'd say that's the most likely thing that will happen here I think........