lilliput in-dash 7" - Page 78

coucouillu · 11-08-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by TiBook_Swe

Well do you have a working EEPROM for the screen now? I would be glad if you could help me with this

.

Yes I have re-prog my EEPROM and work again for days...But is has recetly freeze again....I have to remove screws, unmout all the unit, unsolder the EEPROM, re-flash it, re-solder it on the main board, re-mount all the unit....RRRrrRRrrr

So I am working on an other way. I have begun to change the brain of the lilliput : the µcontroller replacing it by an other technology. A PIC BASIC controller. But I just begin in this domain.

The only way I could help you is to give you a good flash .HEX file of the EEPROM.

coucouillu · 11-10-2006, 11:32 AM

I need help.

I can't find any documentation about the way to program the SyncMos SM89516A µcontroller (Lilliput indash µcontroller).

I am looking for software for the Firmware development, hardware to flash it and documentation...

slickdeville · 11-11-2006, 03:09 PM

My advice to everybody is to stay away from this unit

This was it up and running last week

This is the second one thats broken.The first one broke after opening about five times.The seller replaced it with a new one which I've been using for the last two months.The problem seems to be that they open up but dont flip.I opened up the unit and found a broken gear wheel but I've got no way of fixing it.
Don't know what I'am going to do now with only a radio in the car.
Anyone know how to fix it so I can use it even if has to be open all the time.

coucouillu · 11-12-2006, 07:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by slickdeville

My advice to everybody is to stay away from this unit

This was it up and running last week

This is the second one thats broken.The first one broke after opening about five times.The seller replaced it with a new one which I've been using for the last two months.The problem seems to be that they open up but dont flip.I opened up the unit and found a broken gear wheel but I've got no way of fixing it.
Don't know what I'am going to do now with only a radio in the car.
Anyone know how to fix it so I can use it even if has to be open all the time.

Sorry but I haven't understood.

Which work and which don't?

What do you aim to do with the broken one?

slickdeville · 11-12-2006, 07:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by coucouillu

Sorry but I haven't understood.

Which work and which don't?

What do you aim to do with the broken one?

Sorry for not making myself clear,I didn't take a pic of the broken unit.The problem is the screen does not flip up anymore because one of the plastic gear wheels is broken.I don't know what I'am going to do with it now.

Are you interested?

coucouillu · 11-12-2006, 12:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by slickdeville

Sorry for not making myself clear,I didn't take a pic of the broken unit.The problem is the screen does not flip up anymore because one of the plastic gear wheels is broken.I don't know what I'am going to do with it now.

Are you interested?

Yes but I still don't know which model it is...

Is it an indash Lilliput?

slickdeville · 11-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by coucouillu

Yes but I still don't know which model it is...

Is it an indash Lilliput?

Yes is is an indash

Lilliput GL-701 7
it also has a tv tuner.
It's probably easy to repair.

MaXimaN · 11-12-2006, 08:47 PM

I bought one of these units via eBay recently (not from ex-car

) and it's working fine so far. Although, I always begrudge paying a third of the price again in VAT and import charges.

Anyway, these are pros and cons I've encountered so far. I'd say these mirror the experiences of other people who have posted on this thread:

Pros:

The screen is very clear and good quality, with an acceptable level of brightness
The touchscreen works well and the drivers have all the features you'd need

Cons:

The audio on this unit is AWFUL. It's worse than bad. The RF noise generated by the screen when it is in use is a high-pitched continuous whine. The amp picks up alternator and ignition noise almost as though it was designed to do so. If that wasn't bad enough, the sound "quality" is on a par with a mobile phone speaker. I had a cheap MP3/USB/SD/FM head unit in before this and, to put it politely, it urniates on the output from the Lilliput from a great height. The Loud (AKA Distort) button is a waste of space. The bass response is probably 60Hz at the lowest end. No, really. The overall sound is flat and bleak.
Did I mention the RF noise caused by the screen that is received by the amp? I mean, WTF?
The design for the facia was, in fact, dug out of a time capsule that was buried in the 1970s. It has a thumb-sized joystick on the right of the unit. Why? It's simply used to tune the radio and a few other basic functions, none of which require diagonal control. All of it is a beautiful combination of cheap black plastic and even cheaper silver plastic. The well-thought-out inclusion of a digital clock on the front was a stroke of genius, especially as clocks are rarely included in car dashboard designs. *cough*
The chassis design is circa-1990s. No screw holes for alternative mounting. Not even a rear bolt for chassis securing. The supplied frame is "okay" at best but offers no way of securing the unit. As the unit has no removable security section this makes it dead easy for thieves to remove a working unit.
The wiring. Ah yes, the wiring. I was already aware that the yellow lead on most head units is for +12V, and the red lead for ACC, so I didn't fall for that trap. However, I stupidly expected the speaker wire colouring (which is in the standard colour set) to match the assignment in my wiring loom. Colour-wise, it does. What was I thinking? As I turned on the unit and listened to the sound go solely to the front left speaker as I adjusted the fader, I realised it wasn't even a close match. Right colours, wrong assignments. They could have at least included a standard ISO adaptor - even some of the cheapest head unit providers do that.
The exposed edges of the recessed screen have grease on them. I discovered this after positioning the unit and attempting to brush away speck of dust on the front panel which had the effect of creating an attractive greasy smear across the front of the unit.
The radio reception is mediocre and is adversely affected when the screen is in use. The tuning and preset controls are not intuitive at all and the receiver picks up more noise to combine with the noise already picked up by the amp. Marvellous.
Last, but by no means least, switching off the ACC power to the unit (ignition off) sends a nice solid *THWACK* to the speakers. I dread to think what is going on inside the circuitry at this point.

Unfortunately, I had already received the unit before I read this thread. The screen is still working well, so I've installed a separate amp for the audio and that's working beautifully - especially with the delayed switch on via the M2-ATX PSU. I'll continue to use the screen until it inevitably fails, at which point I'll go down the route of fitting a 7" touchscreen directly into the dash as I've seen others do that successfully (and beautifully, I might add

).

My advice to anyone would be: stay the hell away from this box. If you really want to get a 1 DIN motorised screen, get the version that doesn't have a radio/amp and get a separate amp instead. Or better still, get one of the motorised screen conversion kits and fit a regular touchscreen into that.

coucouillu · 11-13-2006, 03:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by slickdeville

Yes is is an indash

Lilliput GL-701 7
it also has a tv tuner.
It's probably easy to repair.

So If i have understood, you sell this one with broken gears.

Please send me your price in PM.

slickdeville · 11-16-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by coucouillu

So If i have understood, you sell this one with broken gears.

Please send me your price in PM.

Sorry not for sale anymore.The Ebay shop have agreed to get me a replacement.

I've sent it back to the makers in Hong Kong.The seller has told me that there was a batch of these screens with defective gears so they have agreed to replace the screens he sold.Oh and he also said that that the hinges and gear wheels have been redesigned and are of a better standard than before.I'll believe that when I see it.When the new unit arrives I'll let you know if the quality is any better.

coucouillu · 11-16-2006, 05:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by slickdeville

Sorry not for sale anymore.The Ebay shop have agreed to get me a replacement.

I've sent it back to the makers in Hong Kong.The seller has told me that there was a batch of these screens with defective gears so they have agreed to replace the screens he sold.Oh and he also said that that the hinges and gear wheels have been redesigned and are of a better standard than before.I'll believe that when I see it.When the new unit arrives I'll let you know if the quality is any better.

Great ! Good news for you.

Hoping you will have the new model.

ahew · 11-17-2006, 01:28 AM

All, just an update that I fished out from Lilliput (spelling mistakes and all):

"Thanks for your qttention!
Regarding to Lilliput 701 screen,it was been produced since 2005(about two year),at the first half year, there have a little bugs,such as,sound,radio,mechanical failure,etc. then we stop sales about half a year,find the fault,solve the problem. then it was perfected,then sale it at the begining of this year. you can be assure that it was a high quality,thanks.

Best wishes and thanks
Richard Sales Director"

Let say we give Lilliput the benefit of the doubt and they are telling the truth. If that is the case, this is what I think is happening. Your seller would have purchased a bulk load of these screens in 2005. They then get hit with people returning the screens left right and center. When the seller exchanges it for you, they exchange it for one of the current stock that they're holding... still the same batch of stock. They would've then returned the faulty stock to Lilliput for exchange. This would've been happening for a while until Lilliput stopped manufacturing for a while. That is when, I guess, some people were getting delays on their returns and maybe some sellers were trying to fix the fault themselves without success due to pressure from the customer. It would take a while for the stock to filter through from the manufacturer to the sellers because of the distribution delay.

On the other hand, if you've dealt with Lilliput directly and it's still faulty then my guess is that they're full of crap.

slickdeville · 11-18-2006, 11:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MaXimaN

I bought one of these units via eBay recently (not from ex-car

) and it's working fine so far. Although, I always begrudge paying a third of the price again in VAT and import charges.

Anyway, these are pros and cons I've encountered so far. I'd say these mirror the experiences of other people who have posted on this thread:

Pros:

The screen is very clear and good quality, with an acceptable level of brightness
The touchscreen works well and the drivers have all the features you'd need

Cons:

The audio on this unit is AWFUL. It's worse than bad. The RF noise generated by the screen when it is in use is a high-pitched continuous whine. The amp picks up alternator and ignition noise almost as though it was designed to do so. If that wasn't bad enough, the sound "quality" is on a par with a mobile phone speaker. I had a cheap MP3/USB/SD/FM head unit in before this and, to put it politely, it urniates on the output from the Lilliput from a great height. The Loud (AKA Distort) button is a waste of space. The bass response is probably 60Hz at the lowest end. No, really. The overall sound is flat and bleak.
Did I mention the RF noise caused by the screen that is received by the amp? I mean, WTF?
The design for the facia was, in fact, dug out of a time capsule that was buried in the 1970s. It has a thumb-sized joystick on the right of the unit. Why? It's simply used to tune the radio and a few other basic functions, none of which require diagonal control. All of it is a beautiful combination of cheap black plastic and even cheaper silver plastic. The well-thought-out inclusion of a digital clock on the front was a stroke of genius, especially as clocks are rarely included in car dashboard designs. *cough*
The chassis design is circa-1990s. No screw holes for alternative mounting. Not even a rear bolt for chassis securing. The supplied frame is "okay" at best but offers no way of securing the unit. As the unit has no removable security section this makes it dead easy for thieves to remove a working unit.
The wiring. Ah yes, the wiring. I was already aware that the yellow lead on most head units is for +12V, and the red lead for ACC, so I didn't fall for that trap. However, I stupidly expected the speaker wire colouring (which is in the standard colour set) to match the assignment in my wiring loom. Colour-wise, it does. What was I thinking? As I turned on the unit and listened to the sound go solely to the front left speaker as I adjusted the fader, I realised it wasn't even a close match. Right colours, wrong assignments. They could have at least included a standard ISO adaptor - even some of the cheapest head unit providers do that.
The exposed edges of the recessed screen have grease on them. I discovered this after positioning the unit and attempting to brush away speck of dust on the front panel which had the effect of creating an attractive greasy smear across the front of the unit.
The radio reception is mediocre and is adversely affected when the screen is in use. The tuning and preset controls are not intuitive at all and the receiver picks up more noise to combine with the noise already picked up by the amp. Marvellous.
Last, but by no means least, switching off the ACC power to the unit (ignition off) sends a nice solid *THWACK* to the speakers. I dread to think what is going on inside the circuitry at this point.

Unfortunately, I had already received the unit before I read this thread. The screen is still working well, so I've installed a separate amp for the audio and that's working beautifully - especially with the delayed switch on via the M2-ATX PSU. I'll continue to use the screen until it inevitably fails, at which point I'll go down the route of fitting a 7" touchscreen directly into the dash as I've seen others do that successfully (and beautifully, I might add

).

My advice to anyone would be: stay the hell away from this box. If you really want to get a 1 DIN motorised screen, get the version that doesn't have a radio/amp and get a separate amp instead. Or better still, get one of the motorised screen conversion kits and fit a regular touchscreen into that.

Hi MaXimaN
I'am interested on how you improved the sound from this crap unit.I will re installing my Lilliput for the third time as soon as it comes,the first two didn't last the gears broke.The way I had the sound set up on the last one was this,I had the lilliput wired straight to the 4 car speakers and I was running 2 6x9 speakers through an amp from the 2 rca outputs on the lilliput.The problem I had with this setup was I was unable to control the volume on the speakers which are wired to the amp is this normal and also when I'am just listening to the radio there is no sound coming from these speakers??????When I reinstall I might run all the speakers fom the amp but will I be able to control the volume from the lilliput?Can you help?

Can anyone help

MaXimaN · 11-18-2006, 06:10 PM

There really isn't any way to improve the crappy sound from the Lilliput. It picks up too much noise (even from the screen itself) and the quality of the internal amp is just too poor. Just go with wiring all of your speakers to your amp as that will certainly provide better sound quality (assuming you got a decent amp

)

There are several ways of controlling the volume output from the amp and they all work by controlling the input to the amp. The obvious first point of control is the volume control for the sound card in the CarPC itself, controlled either through Windows or through a dashboard program like MediaEngine or RoadRunner. Controlling volume in this way is "okay" but not perfect. I've had RoadRunner's volume control spaz out on me before and you'll probably find that the line-out level at maximum volume will distort badly.

A better option is to install a line-level volume control or something like a graphic equaliser unit that has a line-level volume control. These are connected between the line-out from your CarPC sound card and the amp.

It looks like the third option - using the line-out from the Lilliput - is a no-no, judging from your post. On most head units the volume control also controls the level of the output on the line-out from the unit. Its unsurprising that Lilliput have been too cheap to even implement this properly. It sounds like just a straight-forward pass-through.

MaXimaN · 11-20-2006, 07:48 AM

By the way, I've seen two different facias for this unit - one with a triangle-shaped screen open/close button and with a larger volume knob, and the other with a small round open/close button and smaller volume knob. Anyone know which is more recent?