Shutting Down Mine vs. Sleep - Page 3

Bugbyte · 05-17-2005, 01:23 PM

The Mac will wake up from sleep if you trigger a state change in the USB line. For example, I'm constantly accidentally waking up my desktop because I sleep it, then realize the printer is on and turn it off. Wakes up the Mac.

Is there anything connected to the Mini like a mouse or a keyboard that doesn't run through the hub that's off?

I think Mike's theory on the Mac waking up and then getting shut off by the P1900 is a good one. I think the Mac logs this type of activity but don't know enough about the OS to know which log to look into. Maybe someone on this forum could point you to look at the log? It ought to tell you what happened during sleep.

maxipad96 · 05-17-2005, 03:17 PM

Well I dont have anything plugged into the Mac. Maybe a USB cable is loose and is triggering this? The only cable I have plugged in is for the touchscreen. This just happened again for a total of 2 times. Happened at a horrible time. My girlfriend is ****ED at me now that she knows about this.
She heard the good ole... bummmmmmm... and was like what the hell was that.

Bugbyte · 05-17-2005, 03:54 PM

Why is she ****ed?! I guess it could startle her, but WTF? We're engaged in research, experimentation and systems integration here. There's gonna be things go wrong, burnt circuit boards and, if we're lucky, explosions (heh-heh-heh).

I wonder if the Mini isn't sleeping properly? Check the energy saver control panel and verify that the "sleep on power" is still checked.

MikeH · 05-17-2005, 03:58 PM

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She heard the good ole... bummmmmmm...

I'm not sure I know what this is...?? Is this the HDD spinning up? Or is there some other audible noise associated with your amps?

Bugbyte · 05-17-2005, 03:59 PM

The startup chime sound the Mac makes when you press the start button.

maxipad96 · 05-17-2005, 04:47 PM

She's ****ed cause it was money not spent on buying her that big piece of bling bling that all females are after.

maxipad96 · 05-18-2005, 08:27 AM

OK heres a thought. Could it be my wireless internet thats waking the computer? Or a bluetooth connection? People driving by w/ bluetooth devices... Its inactive in sleep mode and then all the sudden picks up a signal? Wakes from sleep?

Under Power options/energy saver. Wake for Ethernet network administrator access?.. Just a thought.

Bugbyte · 05-18-2005, 11:43 AM

Whoa! That would be a nice piece of information to have! I'd check on the Bluetooth first. I have a G4 mac with a wireless router on it and when it's sleeping and I connect to the router and then try to access the Mac it doesn't wake it up.

Also, are you running Tiger? If you are, there may be a couple of bugs in the OS that are causing that.

Bugbyte · 05-20-2005, 12:53 PM

Double post. I'm a whore. At least it's a day apart.

I just got my Mac Mini last night and paired it with my bluetooth mouse. I put it to sleep and turned off the mouse. This morning when I turned on the mouse, the computer woke up from sleep.

I also found a setting in the Control Panels-->Keyboard/Mouse-->Bluetooth tab that says "Allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer".

That might be it.

That's also a really cool feature if you can only allow it to be woken up by YOUR bluetooth device. When you get in the car with a bluetooth phone, it would wake the computer.

maxipad96 · 05-20-2005, 11:39 PM

Interesting... I will check it out in my car tomorrow. I haven't had an issue for a few days. I'm wondering if it had something to do with the way i was hitting the ignition. I've made an extra effort to turn the key quickly. I wonder if I was turning the key slowly and somehow the signals were being confused between the power supply and mini.

pilavdzic · 05-21-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sdashiki

Um why are you doing this?

You say you dont want to drain your battery so sleep mode is out of the question...
And a 2nd battery is out of the question?
So now I have a question... are you out of your mind?

You dont want to be stranded in the middle of nowhere because your mac mini drained your battery. But you dont want a 2nd battery to counteract that problem...instead you want to hack your mac to do something that is totally ludicrous when it comes down to sheer time, work and effort. Buy a 2nd battery OR dont worry about leaving the Mini in sleep, gimme a break dood, if you leave your car for a week, yeah shut it down, but otherwise, sleep wont drain.

People that says stuff like this irritate the hell out of me.

1. Why do you want something draining your battery in your car while it is not on and not running? Even though it's a slight drain, some of us don't want to spend extra money and add extra weight to our cars for another battery, in fact some of us want as small a battery as possible.

2. I have a carnetix P2140, which I can send a pulse to the mac mini power button upon ignition on/off or even a signal from my car remote. So let me get this straight, this guy sees no advantage to being able to turn on and off the computer this way?

3. " if you leave your car for a week, yeah shut it down, but otherwise, sleep wont drain." Yeah, HOW? That's what we are all talking about! I'd prefer to do this by turning off my ignition. Not by having to poking around (3 times) on my touchscreen to go to apple->shutdown->Ok THEN turn my hardwired switch off to begin the carnetix shutdown process. To me, thats a pain in the ***.

4. I think people that make these comments are wannabes that don't own a car computer, and don't think far enough and envision what problems they will run into when they do have one.

Bugbyte · 05-22-2007, 07:48 AM

Nice first post, come out fighting. Welcome to the forum!

zapwizard · 05-22-2007, 08:02 AM

I have a program called "Sleep timeout" on my Mini.
It installs into the system preferences.
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/macc...p-timeout.html
I never properly tested it.

Bugbyte did you ever test it?

iamgnat · 05-22-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pilavdzic

People that says stuff like this irritate the hell out of me.

And people that blather on without fully comprehending what they are talking about irritate the hell out of me. What is your point?

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Even though it's a slight drain, some of us don't want to spend extra money and add extra weight to our cars for another battery, in fact some of us want as small a battery as possible.

There is no one here that has a second battery just because of the Mini. It was a suggestion if the guy was overly paranoid about the Mini draining the main. The P1900 (and I can't believe MikeH would downgrade the 2140) has had plenty of field testing where some of us leave the Mini asleep for days at a time with no issues trying to crank the car. If you have a healthy electrical system (good battery, good alternator, not using more Amps than your Alt produces, etc..) then a sleeping Mini will not cause your battery to run down.

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2. I have a carnetix P2140, which I can send a pulse to the mac mini power button upon ignition on/off or even a signal from my car remote. So let me get this straight, this guy sees no advantage to being able to turn on and off the computer this way?

No. The OP wanted to turn the Mini completely off and the person you replied to didn't see the point rather than having it sleep. And I completely agree. As long as you take care of your electrical system and the devices that are connected to the Mini (so they won't wake it up when you don't want them to), sleeping is the way to go on the Mini. It's nicest feature over a Windows CarPC is it's ability to sleep and wake so easily/quickly, why negate that when there is no need to?

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3. " if you leave your car for a week, yeah shut it down, but otherwise, sleep wont drain." Yeah, HOW? That's what we are all talking about! I'd prefer to do this by turning off my ignition. Not by having to poking around (3 times) on my touchscreen to go to apple->shutdown->Ok THEN turn my hardwired switch off to begin the carnetix shutdown process. To me, thats a pain in the ***.

Yeah, such a PITA when you have to do it once a week at the most

Leaving the car off for a week or more is (normally) a rare thing. Given that, is it really too much to follow the normal Mac shutdown procedures on those rare occasions? If so, I would suggests that Macs are not simple enough for you...

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4. I think people that make these comments are wannabes that don't own a car computer, and don't think far enough and envision what problems they will run into when they do have one.

This is your first post, so I would suggest that you STFD and STFU until you know what you are actually talking about. You have not been involved in the group so have no real idea who knows and has done what. And you aren't off to a good start to get anyone to give a damn about what you have to say or offer any help either...

-dave

Bugbyte · 05-22-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by zapwizard

I have a program called "Sleep timeout" on my Mini.
It installs into the system preferences.
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/macc...p-timeout.html
I never properly tested it.

Bugbyte did you ever test it?

Yes, I did. It works as advertised.

My usage patterns have changed radically since I started working from home so I don't have the Mini in the car unless I'm going on a long trip, maybe 2-3 times a month. I shut it down every time now but still find that it boots up pretty darn quickly.

BTW, the long trips are back to my company HQ, 5 hours each way, so its still really important to me, but more as a long range cruise entertainment device.