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Rafster · 06-12-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Quattro

your starting to sound like a mac fan boy

Always and forever....

Screw Windows.... (especially Vista)......

Believe me, after being an IT manager at a place where I had to (alone) support over 150 windows machines for 2 years.... you start to really resent Mr. Gates and his subpar OS...

Rafster

NeonDev · 06-13-2008, 08:36 AM

see I am an IT guy and our Macs have just as many problems, Of course almost all the problems are related to microsoft technology tho (active directory, microsoft exchange, smb file sharing issues) lucky for me is is almost always the same short list of problems repeating over and over

Crawdaddy · 06-13-2008, 09:23 AM

I don't get why everyone bashes Windows. Granted, Vista is safe to be considered the winME of this era, but it's really not that bad. I'm a Admin for 300+ machines at my job in a network of over something like 2K+ (spread across multiple campuses). I'd say over 99% of my problems are P.I.C.N.I.C, ID 10T, or however you want to call it problems. My users would have just as many, if not more issues with using their computers if this were a mac or linux/unix environment. Hell, I'd venture to guess that most of them would be more happy if I slapped an Underwood typewriter on their desks.

Now, most people consider me a windows fanboy, but I'd say that's not so. I use linux for my core critical apps like web, database, asterisk (best thing in the world...). My roomie uses Leopard, and I'm just not all that impressed with it. Mac has come very far since the days of, say, MacOS 6 to MacOS 8.6, but it's still not far enough. It's still very much neutered for the idiots and mac fanboys to use it without giving some advanced abilities. And yes, I know Tiger and Leopard have the console, but I shouldn't HAVE to know BSD in order to get what I want done in an uber-pretty supposedly uber-functional GUI. ok, I think I'm done....

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PS: I have uptimes of over 3 months without a reboot on most of my xp boxes and 1 so far on my vista box at work, so it's stable as hell in my opinion all things considered

Rafster · 06-13-2008, 03:24 PM

Believe me, I know there are some windows machines that are very stable.

Hell, when I'm not booting into OS-X on my PC desktop, XP runs great!

But, as a whole you will probably have less common everyday problems with Mac.

Even though most problems usually end up being P.E.B.C.A.K.

Rafster

Tidder · 06-14-2008, 12:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

I have uptimes of over 3 months without a reboot on most of my xp boxes and 1 so far on my vista box at work, so it's stable as hell in my opinion all things considered

Impressive. They must not be used much, that's all I can think of. Start running programs that use the .net framework and there will be so many memory leaks, you'll have to reboot daily. I know... some of it is programmer error... but a lot of it is not. I even have a strange memory leak problem with some software I wrote for my mobile 6.1 phone. I've gone over and over the code, and have decided it's just the dang .net compact framework. Doesn't matter much cause I have to reboot my phone daily as well. Even without my proggy running, memory usage continues to climb, to the point of answering a call doesn't work. Once again windows... never had a problem like that with a Palm.

I'd agree that windows by itself is stable. Used as an internet browser/mail checker/typerwriter it's fine. Start using it for other things, audio editing/mixing, video editing, CAD design, etc it sucks. Even something as trivial as video capture. Bluescreens left and right in my experience. Video capture on Ubuntu, no problems. I just got done capturing over 20+ hours of video without a single glitch. BUT... a lot of my devices that work with windows don't work with any other OS.

Now, you strip all the **** out of Windows, and it's stable as a rock and fast as ever. Micro2003 is probably the best thing to ever happen to the gaming community imo. K I'm done.

NeonDev · 06-14-2008, 12:41 PM

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Start running programs that use the .net framework and there will be so many memory leaks, you'll have to reboot daily

does C#/.net not use garbage collection?

as far as every day problems are concerned windows XP and Leopard are about tied from my exp. When you bring Macs into corporate environments built on windows servers the problems sway heavily towards the Macs (no most problems are not caused by ID10-T errors). Macs still have very poor out of the box support for essential windows enterprise technology. 10.6 will fix alot of that since it boasts out of the box support for exchange 2007 but unless it fixes 10.5s horrible support of active directory (and to a lesser extent SMB shares) nothing will change much. oh and apple support is far worse then Microsoft's; especially for enterprise related problems.

oh and for the record 10.5 IS UNIX certified, and if you wanted you could run X11 and GNOME in place of apples window system (I don't know why you would want to). I really wish Apple would take their spaces (which I feel is a waste) and actually make it virtual desktops that can be running not only a different windowing system like X11, but be able to run multiple sessions of all of them (so you can have different docks etc)

Tidder · 06-14-2008, 12:50 PM

Eww, I think you're right there. I'd never attempt to mix the two in a production environment. I have enough "fun" at home trying to get Ubuntu and windows boxes to play nicely. As far as enterprises go, Microsoft is still the way to rock I think. And Microsoft's support is actually pretty awesome if you're willing to pay the price for it. And I have yet to find a really good exchange replacement to use under linux. Scalix is about as close as it gets. They do a good job, but it still is lacking in a few areas. Though I think I'm going to try it again, I read somewhere they now have push (exchange activesync) support for PDAs.

Haha! Sorry to crap all over your thread Raf! I'll go play somewhere else now.

Rafster · 06-14-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tidder

Haha! Sorry to crap all over your thread Raf! I'll go play somewhere else now.

NP, this thread was just one of my usual craps that I post...

Rafster

Crawdaddy · 06-15-2008, 12:19 AM

Tidder, I have no interest in starting a flame war with you, but sufficed to say, all of my boxes take a severe beating EVERY day, including some video and audio editing here and there. I'm just going to leave it at that...

Tidder · 06-15-2008, 03:23 AM

Oh I'm not saying you're lying. And to be honest with you I'm impressed. You must have some good hardware that works very well with the all software you run. Just my experience, I rarely see such things. I've had bad *** dell servers running server 2003 that lock up and die because I plugged in a USB drive, I've had a couple of windows XP boxes lockup and bluescreen trying to play a DVD, I've had a Windows Media Center PC that was designed for such, lock up everytime media center was opened!

No bluescreen or anything, hard lock... I even remember back in the days of windows 95, had a customer bring their computer in cause it was bluescreening everytime the modem would dial.

But, my opinion is very biased. I did nothing for my first 3 years as a computer tech other than work on crappy home PCs. It wasn't until much later that I got into the higher end of computers, networking, and servers. So I've probably seen more of microsoft at their worst than anything.

Man I'm tired.