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isnt it "who is john galt?"

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Yea it is, but I know who he is... I'm just looking for him now!

BCasey

they want the voluntary mode to be the one they put in. Obviously being able to disable it down to advisory mode would just mean people will leave it in advisory mode. Plus during an emergency like the ones described above having an extra thing to do (press a button to allow u to speed up or whatever) isn't really an option. you dont wanna have to press a button plus avoid a collision is just adds more confusion.

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Having the PC automatically slow you down when you enter a slower speed zone is just as dangerous as having the PC automatically speed you up when entering a faster speed zone.

Once the government decides that this is a power they can seize, there's no doubt they will seize it. And having the government control your driving is by far more dangerous to your life than jumping off of a cliff without a parachute, but that's what the dumb masses are crying for! Don't believe me? Take a look what happened with the invention of the seat belt and seat belt laws!
It's all in the name of 'safety'
Just give it time.

Bugbyte

You're not seriously arguing that seatbelts don't save lives, are you? Also, I can't imagine that you're arguing against seatbelts being mandatory equipment.

Maybe you're arguing against a law that says you have to wear a seatbelt. I'd agree that it's kind of stupid to mandate something like that.

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@ the responses.

Crinos

But one thing that WOULD be great....

A device that made all cars waiting for green light to speed up at the same time, instead of the awefull chainreaction that is today...
I don't know HOW many times I allmost bumped the car in front of me.

eigenVector

I don't care about saving lives. I don't think seat belts should be 'mandatory' equipment, however having said that I think it's 100% the decision of the manufacturer to decide what goes in and what doesn't go into a car. It's 100% the decision of the consumer to decide what car he/she wants to buy. And yes, I'm arguing against a law that says you have to wear a seatbelt. Don't get me wrong, I won't buy a car that doesn't have a seatbelt, and I've never driven a car without one. But it's not the government's responsibility to control our own actions. If you're stupid enough to be driving without a seat belt, there are far worse consequences that could happen to you than this whole 'click it or ticket' mess.
Just like speeding, laws that require the use of seat belts are here only to 'pander to the whims of the mindless masses' and to generate revenue.


I've never 'almost' bumped the car in front of me... but I do try and make the idiot think I'm about to bump them if they don't get going!

What would be great, is if the idiots who don't go on green would just stay off of the road.
The roads would be a much better place if people just 'paid attention!'
Gosh I'd give anything for toll roads in North Carolina.

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nalav

Then the car in front of you happens to be an old beater, and since your car accelerates faster, you run into him.


It's the government's job to ensure the safety of the people. Whether they do a good job of it or not is debatable, but the seat belt law and speeding laws are just part of how they are able to ensure the safety. Laws like this work, whether you like them or not. They're not there to generate revenue, but they do, so it's all the better.


I agree completely. I am also of the opinion that a license should have STRICT and HARD standardized test across the US, should be more expensive, and generally much tougher to get. Also the testing and classes should be repeated every so often. That will do a great deal to weed out a lot of the accident causing drivers.

eigenVector

It's not the government's job to ensure the safety of the people. The government's job is to 'provide for the common defense.' To protect us from enemies foreign and domestic. Not to protect us from our own ignorance and stupidity.
You're right though, laws like this do 'work.' These laws are providing to the legislatures exactly what they want. Power, and it's working quite well.

red_parchel

make it mandatory ... and some one will hack it!

[side note i think we have too many smile options]

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That's unfortunate.

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eigenVector

Is it? It wouldn't be if people took care of themselves. I'm concerned with my life and my family. What people do to themselves is of no concern to me (ie driving without a seat belt). As long as it's not infringing on someone's rights to their own life, their liberties and their own property why should I care? That is up to them to decide.
I don't exactly see how fortune has anything to do with it though.

PS, is this a bug? or a bite?

JS8531

Why? you wear your seat belt right? So why does it bother you that someone is getting pulled over for not wearing it?


Because it teaches people lesson as well as generate revenue, isnt that a good thing? Imagine for every slight accident, the emergency service have to be called to take the injured to the hospital, do you know how much that would cost the govt each time?

Hell I would even welcome fines for littering the streets.

Seems like your idea is no seat belt, no speed limit. Im sorry but it just doesnt work like that in real world. You may be the most responsible driver ever exist but there are millions who does not share your quality.

You will change your tone if a member of your family is killed by a speeding car.

eigenVector

I do not feel it is the government's responsibility to 'teach people lessons.' Sure I would agree, it is a 'Good Thing', but I would argue that's not the role of government. You're also presuming that speeding causes injuries, and I understand how you may have come to that presumption, I too was raised in a government school, but let me be the first to tell you: It's not true.

But I'll resign, you make a good case for seat belt laws when you talk about the expense of the emergency services. If you're stupid enough to drive without a seat belt and you cause an accident and go flying through your windshield, it does cost the tax payers much more to scrap your carcus off the road.


I'm 100% with you on this one. Littering is a far worse offense than speeding in my book.


Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe there is a difference between speeding and wreckless driving. If your driving in a matter that will result in infringement of someone else's right to life, liberty or property, then I am 100% behind the role of legislation far more severe than a speeding ticket. However, speeding doesn't kill people; Driving wrecklessly kill's people.

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