The MP3car.com Store The MP3car.com Store    

Sponsored links

Go Back   MP3Car.com > Mp3Car Technical > Power Supplies

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-16-2008, 11:26 AM   #16
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by toyotatyrant View Post
I honestly think the m4-atx should run your setup fine. I built and ran a multimedia pc a couple years ago running a p4 2.8 ghz processor on an asus p4b motherboard with a 250 watt power supply. I still use it to this day as the core media platform for my mutimedia setup in my apartment. It has 6 pci slots and 5 of them in use with everything from additional 5 port usb pci, 5:1 sound card, tv tuner multimedia card, pvr, ethernet card etc. not including the two 3.5 inch hard drives, and two cd/dvd writers, 2 front usb ports running from the usb motherboard headers and multiple fans. I recently swapped the PSU with a 500 watt PSU basicly just for the heck of it and to use the old 250 watt psu in another machine. I know there is no way in the world your setup could pull that much unless you are running some monster apps total ballz to the wall nonstop. I think you'll be fine which ever way you go.

so I guess the 250W would work just fine then... well I bought the 320W already and you know I think its not a bad idea now that i think of it since iam the kinda of guys that rapidly upgrades stuff so i guess there'll be a point where i would need that 320W and not have to buy a new PSU

-
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
Old 04-16-2008, 05:51 PM   #17
Mp3Car Staff
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 39
I don't want to complicate your install, but what brand monitor are you going to use?

The reason I'm asking is the lilliput units have 11V to 14V power input range. If you wire it to the battery you will run into problems later. Batteries usually output around 13.8V and some do a little bit over 14V. Also, once in a while you'll have voltage spikes which can cause damage to your Lilliput unit due to the monitor's inability to "digest" higher voltages.

So I would recommend, if you are using a lilliput monitor, to feed the unit regulated 12V. The OPUS 320W has a convenient 12V regulated output wires that you can run out to your monitor. Not only you'll protect your monitor, but like NotYou suggested it will prevent the monitor from draining your battery, and it will turn the unit on and off with your PC.

Lol, sorry for confusing you, I just don't want your battery to fry $200.
ecog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2008, 08:04 PM   #18
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by ecog View Post
I don't want to complicate your install, but what brand monitor are you going to use?

The reason I'm asking is the lilliput units have 11V to 14V power input range. If you wire it to the battery you will run into problems later. Batteries usually output around 13.8V and some do a little bit over 14V. Also, once in a while you'll have voltage spikes which can cause damage to your Lilliput unit due to the monitor's inability to "digest" higher voltages.

So I would recommend, if you are using a lilliput monitor, to feed the unit regulated 12V. The OPUS 320W has a convenient 12V regulated output wires that you can run out to your monitor. Not only you'll protect your monitor, but like NotYou suggested it will prevent the monitor from draining your battery, and it will turn the unit on and off with your PC.

Lol, sorry for confusing you, I just don't want your battery to fry $200.


so I guess another reason to stick with OPUS 320W (which I already ordered)
put thanks for clearing the voltage part .. i did not know about it
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2008, 11:45 AM   #19
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Ok so I just recieve my OPUS 320W DC-DC ATX-H PSU and ready to but everything together
but there are some wire that am not entirely sure about how where would they connect..
so here you go:



I know that #1 goes to the motherboard power switch and #2 are for (HDD, CD/DVD...) and #3 goes to the motherborad and for CPU but #4 is what am not sure about but am assuming that obviously they're what go to the battery and LCD and external DVD...

now how to connect them .. that's what I absolutely have no idea about..

__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2008, 02:46 PM   #20
Neither darque nor pervert
 
DarquePervert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: In The Sticks near The 'Ham
Posts: 11,833
Yellow = 12v (all three wires)
Black = ground (all three wires)
Red = ACC
Orange = ?
Blue = remote turn-on (for amps, typically)
__________________
SEARCH: It's how information gets found!
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

[|||||||--] - 80% (I estimate completion in Spring '07)
My Worklog
DarquePervert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2008, 02:22 AM   #21
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
Yellow = 12v (all three wires)
Black = ground (all three wires)
Red = ACC
Orange = ?
Blue = remote turn-on (for amps, typically)

not that you weren't helpful or anything (thank you by the way) but here is one dumb guy who's eager to hit the road in one weak traveling for two and a half days enjoying the new toy!! so basically i don't have time for anything to go wrong...

so here you go:





and if this is how you connect the monitor and external DVD where can I connect an amplifier?

-
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 01:07 AM   #22
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
someone please!!
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 03:33 AM   #23
Low Bitrate
 
toyotatyrant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hampton Roads VA
Posts: 56
Quote: Originally Posted by The1Architect View Post
not that you weren't helpful or anything (thank you by the way) but here is one dumb guy who's eager to hit the road in one weak traveling for two and a half days enjoying the new toy!! so basically i don't have time for anything to go wrong...

so here you go:





and if this is how you connect the monitor and external DVD where can I connect an amplifier?

-

No you are not dumb. You are going generally in the right direction. So here is a little input. Instead of wiring the dvd player straight to pin 9. Use pin 9 to trigger a 12 volt relay which will supply voltage to the DVD player and the remote turn-ons for the amplifiers simultaneously. That will cover your amp and DVD situation in one shot without splicing all of those components to that one little wire and will take excess current load off of your PSU.

If you need some background on how relays work, look here http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

Last edited by toyotatyrant; 04-20-2008 at 03:35 AM.
toyotatyrant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 04:29 AM   #24
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by toyotatyrant View Post
No you are not dumb. You are going generally in the right direction. So here is a little input. Instead of wiring the dvd player straight to pin 9. Use pin 9 to trigger a 12 volt relay which will supply voltage to the DVD player and the remote turn-ons for the amplifiers simultaneously. That will cover your amp and DVD situation in one shot without splicing all of those components to that one little wire and will take excess current load off of your PSU.

If you need some background on how relays work, look here http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

ok how about this??



and if thats correct .. i still kinda need to know where the question marks go????

do all 6,7,8 go the battery positive, and all 1,2,3 go to the car body? what about #5 what is it for? and where do the negitives from monitor, DVD and AMP go

-
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%

Last edited by The1Architect; 04-20-2008 at 04:35 AM.
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 09:46 AM   #25
Newbie
 
jimmler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cal. Central Coast
Posts: 36
You're close.
ALL the yellows need to get tied together and brought out to your battery lead.
ALL the blacks need to be tied together and grounded.
The red goes to an ignition terminal that's hot when the key is "on" or in "acc".
Instead of one of the blues going to the monitor, I would use the orange.
One blue wire(RMT-2) should go to a Bosch style relay - pin 86. Ground pin 85 of the relay. 12v from the battery goes to pin 30 of the relay, and your external DVD power wire goes to pin 87a. This will apply power to the DVD as soon as the key is on
The other blue wire(RMT-1) goes to the remote turn on for your amplifier. You probably want the amp(s) to come on after a short delay and RMT-1 will let you program that delay.

Hope this helps.

Yes, all the blacks on your respective devices(DVD, amp, monitor, etc.) go to ground.
__________________
-Jim
Nipomo, CA

Last edited by jimmler; 04-20-2008 at 09:59 AM. Reason: Quick update
jimmler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 01:38 PM   #26
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmler View Post
You're close.
ALL the yellows need to get tied together and brought out to your battery lead.
ALL the blacks need to be tied together and grounded.
The red goes to an ignition terminal that's hot when the key is "on" or in "acc".
Instead of one of the blues going to the monitor, I would use the orange.
One blue wire(RMT-2) should go to a Bosch style relay - pin 86. Ground pin 85 of the relay. 12v from the battery goes to pin 30 of the relay, and your external DVD power wire goes to pin 87a. This will apply power to the DVD as soon as the key is on
The other blue wire(RMT-1) goes to the remote turn on for your amplifier. You probably want the amp(s) to come on after a short delay and RMT-1 will let you program that delay.

Hope this helps.

Yes, all the blacks on your respective devices(DVD, amp, monitor, etc.) go to ground.

that was really helpful and clear but am still not entirely clear about the blue wires is it only a trigger wire that acts like the ACC/IGN wire or do i actually use it for power. in other word.. do i need that 12v wire running from the power distro to the AMP? or am i getting the power that i need for the AMP from the RMT wire? should i apply a relay there too?



-
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 03:14 PM   #27
Newbie
 
jimmler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cal. Central Coast
Posts: 36
Architect,
The blue wire to the amp tells the amp to turn on, but it is not the main feed for the amp. You still need to run a heavy wire from the battery to the amp. There is circuitry in the amp that powers it up when it sees 12v on the sense wire. No need for a relay here.

Your drawing looks correct now. The valet switch is a bit confusing. Unless your customer specifically asked for it that way, the red wire goes to a circuit controlled by the ignition key, not a hidden switch. When the key is in "acc" or "on", things happen: PC should boot, monitor comes on, DVD powers up, amps come on(after delay)
__________________
-Jim
Nipomo, CA
jimmler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 03:18 PM   #28
FLAC
 
greatwhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Top o' the world Ma!
Posts: 1,269
Quote: Originally Posted by The1Architect View Post
that was really helpful and clear but am still not entirely clear about the blue wires is it only a trigger wire that acts like the ACC/IGN wire or do i actually use it for power. in other word.. do i need that 12v wire running from the power distro to the AMP? or am i getting the power that i need for the AMP from the RMT wire? should i apply a relay there too?



-

WHile I haven't read the whole thread, I'll throw in a little general knowledge:

the blue wire on most amps is the trigger wire. Wire it to an intelligent PSU or to 12v acc to turn the amp on and off with the car. It usually only draws around.5 amps.

Cheers
__________________
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return.
Leonardo Da Vinci
greatwhite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 06:26 PM   #29
Low Bitrate
 
The1Architect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 63
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmler View Post
Architect,
The blue wire to the amp tells the amp to turn on, but it is not the main feed for the amp. You still need to run a heavy wire from the battery to the amp. There is circuitry in the amp that powers it up when it sees 12v on the sense wire. No need for a relay here.

Your drawing looks correct now. The valet switch is a bit confusing. Unless your customer specifically asked for it that way, the red wire goes to a circuit controlled by the ignition key, not a hidden switch. When the key is in "acc" or "on", things happen: PC should boot, monitor comes on, DVD powers up, amps come on(after delay)

well the reason i placed the valet switch on the ignition wire because as i understand it the PSU would have power feed all the time right from the battery but it wouldn't start though until it receives signal from the car when its in "acc" or "on" and thats what the acc "red" wire does.. it transfers this signal from the car to the PSU telling it to start. so i though placing the swtich on that wire would prevent sending that signal to the PSU when in "acc" or "on" modes if that switch was open

basically i did it this way based on my understaning.. so if there is a better way i would love to do it that way.

another problem am running into and that is my motherboard has a 20-pin socket and unfortunately when i ordered my OPUS i chose the 24-pin cable.. now according to this site: CertTalk.com this is basically what i should do:



well i did that but the pc wouldn't start!!!!!!!!

-
__________________
>> > Design & Planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100%
> Software Installation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .98%
> Hardware Installation . . . . . . . . . . . 55%
>>> Overall Progress . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .85%

Last edited by The1Architect; 04-20-2008 at 09:18 PM.
The1Architect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2008, 08:34 PM   #30
Newbie
 
jimmler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cal. Central Coast
Posts: 36
Architect,
NOW I understand the Valet switch. That's a good idea. I like it!
I don't know what to tell you on the power supply issue. Have you powered up the board with a known good power supply out of a desktop or such? If you're using the Opus for testing, do you have 12 volts at the main feed as well as at the ignition wire? Are there any led's on the Opus to indicate its status? Also try flipping the "power on" wire from the Opus to the motherboard. Some are sensitive to polarity and won't turn on if the polarity is backwards. Keep us posted!
__________________
-Jim
Nipomo, CA
jimmler is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need: Startup/Shutdown Controller Suggestion for Morex PSU prospero Power Supplies 0 02-16-2006 01:48 PM
Frequently Asked Questions bgoodman The FAQ Emporium 33 05-03-2005 06:25 PM
M1-ATX 90W PSU Usefull Observations James141 Power Supplies 10 03-11-2005 08:25 AM
Mastero 3.5 12v-12v PSU KIT fs SteveC Classified Archive 0 09-28-2004 11:04 AM
Powering up normal ATX PSU KimaX Power Supplies 5 09-28-2004 12:08 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 1999 - 2008 Mp3Car.com Inc.Ad Management by RedTyger
Message Board Statistics