Jetway J9F2-KHDE... What a P.O.S. - Page 3

2k1Toaster · 02-17-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

Which exact MSI board did you get Toaster? The one on LogicSupply only has a VGA. Can you give me the link?

MSI Fuzzy 945GM1: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...5GM1&class=ipc

VGA & DVI:

Autockr989 · 02-17-2008, 03:55 PM

I just recently went with this board also. The funny thing was, I was waiting for while watching this post, so i was pretty skeptical. I had absolutely no problems. I'm running 2 g b ram at 667. Everything is super fast. street Deck is amazing being able to run 60 fps. My Old board was a VIA C7 2.0. Now that was a P.O.S. It had no bios options in terms of video and was shared at 64mb of ram, but i guess you get what you pay for. This board I'm running 224mb ram for video. Was an absolute seamless transfer. All the issues I though were software related, turned out to be mobo. Also used these instructions.

http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com...g-Motherboards

HiJackZX1 · 02-17-2008, 07:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

MSI Fuzzy 945GM1: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...5GM1&class=ipc

VGA & DVI:

Im confused about the processors, can this board use the T7300? It says Intel Core Duo(T2000 Seqence)/Core 2 Duo(T5000 & T7000 Sequence) processor. Also, why didnt you go with the 965 chipset?

2k1Toaster · 02-17-2008, 11:00 PM

I didnt go with the 965 because the 965 is much pickier with RAM timings. Also there is pretty much no gain in power or anything from using the 965 compared to the 945.

As for what processor, it supports Socket M. So it supports all T2xxx series chips (Core Duo/Solo), as well as Socket M T5xxx and Socket M T7xxxx (Core 2 Duo)

It does not support Socket P, which is what the newer Core 2 Duo chips are. So the question "will a T5500 work" is not answerable. You need to determine if you have a Socket M or a Socket P. This is useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icroprocessors

looking at it though, the 7300 is new, and therefore a socket P, and therefore not compatible...

galvitron · 02-18-2008, 11:24 AM

I found that the biggest difference between the 945 and the 965 was that the 965 uses the X3100 onboard Intel graphics which are much more advanced than the GMA950 on the 945. The X3100 has programmable shaders and can do simple 3d fairly well.

2k1Toaster · 02-18-2008, 12:01 PM

Yes, but this a carPC, not a HTPC though. RoadRunner doesnt need pixel shaders.

I do not run any games on this. I run industrial strength applications. These programs dont need anything. Just more power, is faster.

I could not be happier with my little fuzzy board. 100% reccommend over that jetway crap.

galvitron · 02-18-2008, 12:06 PM

I agree it is not too useful in a car (unless your front end is based off DirectX) but I thought it was worth mentioning. It may also affect someone's ability to get 800X480 to run on their LCD. Graphics driver crap...

I think MSI is a pretty good company...on par with Asus and Gigabyte.

HiJackZX1 · 02-18-2008, 02:10 PM

I really wanted to use a T7300 though,.... Although I have been on here awhile, I am still somewhat of a newbie.... What do you mean by RAM timings? How would this affect the system, compared to the 945? I do not plan on running 3D graphics, but I do like the X3100 which got alot of rave for being very stable. I also like the fact that the 7.1 surround sound is built onto the board. It will allow me to ditch the soundblaster live USB, which suffers from annoying pops on startup. Also as stated before, I needed 2 VGA ports, one for headunit and one for the other 3 screens. I did notice that the 965 does not have a second VGA, Im simply going to get a ATI X600, and a PCI express extender and a riser card... all for about 50.00 dollars.

2k1Toaster · 02-18-2008, 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

I really wanted to use a T7300 though,.... Although I have been on here awhile, I am still somewhat of a newbie.... What do you mean by RAM timings? How would this affect the system, compared to the 945? I do not plan on running 3D graphics, but I do like the X3100 which got alot of rave for being very stable. I also like the fact that the 7.1 surround sound is built onto the board. It will allow me to ditch the soundblaster live USB, which suffers from annoying pops on startup. Also as stated before, I needed 2 VGA ports, one for headunit and one for the other 3 screens. I did notice that the 965 does not have a second VGA, but it does have HDTV out... which can then be converted to VGA via a cable. Can this board run the VGA and HDTV out at the same time (extended windows)?

Your T7300 is a socket P. Impossible to stick in a socket M board. Just impossible. Not compatible at all.

By RAM timings I mean it has horrible reviews for being finicky with the RAM selections. The 945 and 965 in terms of stability for graphics, is the same. It is just marketing hype. Of course they arent going to say "well the 945 works just fine, but spend $200 on a new motherboard to buy this because it is marginally more power efficient...".

This board I am pretty sure can use DVI and VGA output seperately. With the C2D installed, I am sure it would be speedy enough for the car even using the onboard graphics. Maybe not for 1080i decoding for both screens at the same time, but high-def on a 7" screen is useless anyways.

Also for your speaker pop, that is just because your amp is turning on before the sound drivers are loaded. No matter what card you choose (onboard or offboard), and the drivers are loaded after the amp turns on, then you will get a speaker pop. And why do you need 7.1 in the car anyways? Most have 4.0 or 4.1 (4 speakers FL, FR, RL, RR) and optionally sub lines (all use the same channel).

HiJackZX1 · 02-18-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

Your T7300 is a socket P. Impossible to stick in a socket M board. Just impossible. Not compatible at all.

By RAM timings I mean it has horrible reviews for being finicky with the RAM selections. The 945 and 965 in terms of stability for graphics, is the same. It is just marketing hype. Of course they arent going to say "well the 945 works just fine, but spend $200 on a new motherboard to buy this because it is marginally more power efficient...".

This board I am pretty sure can use DVI and VGA output seperately. With the C2D installed, I am sure it would be speedy enough for the car even using the onboard graphics. Maybe not for 1080i decoding for both screens at the same time, but high-def on a 7" screen is useless anyways.

Also for your speaker pop, that is just because your amp is turning on before the sound drivers are loaded. No matter what card you choose (onboard or offboard), and the drivers are loaded after the amp turns on, then you will get a speaker pop. And why do you need 7.1 in the car anyways? Most have 4.0 or 4.1 (4 speakers FL, FR, RL, RR) and optionally sub lines (all use the same channel).

OK, you sold me on the 945..... What processor do you recommend for the 945. I want it to be at least 2 GHZ.
I see they have the T7200, which is socket M. Why is it so much more then socket P? On newegg its 296.00.

2k1Toaster · 02-18-2008, 04:18 PM

Why pick such a random number as 2Ghz? A 2Ghz anything is way more than needed for the PC, but a 3.0Ghz P4, is slower than a 1.83Ghz Core 2 Duo...

Even a Core Duo chip like the t2050 will be way overkill. I actually have that left over too since I am using the t5500 now and I bought the other for testing the jetway.

You can find core duo's for about $20 on ebay.

HiJackZX1 · 02-18-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

Why pick such a random number as 2Ghz? A 2Ghz anything is way more than needed for the PC, but a 3.0Ghz P4, is slower than a 1.83Ghz Core 2 Duo...

Even a Core Duo chip like the t2050 will be way overkill. I actually have that left over too since I am using the t5500 now and I bought the other for testing the jetway.

You can find core duo's for about $20 on ebay.

I dont know what it is Toaster, I guess maybe because my first install was such a flop. I had to pull the whole thing out and now im starting from scratch. Ive wasted so much money trying to go by a budget, my MoBo was crappy, PSU was crappy, and Ive had to replace so much. I figure this time i'll just buy the most high power stuff, that way I have no worries. I think I will go with a T5500, that way not so overkill.

Autockr989 · 02-18-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

I dont know what it is Toaster, I guess maybe because my first install was such a flop. I had to pull the whole thing out and now im starting from scratch. Ive wasted so much money trying to go by a budget, my MoBo was crappy, PSU was crappy, and Ive had to replace so much. I figure this time i'll just buy the most high power stuff, that way I have no worries. I think I will go with a T5500, that way not so overkill.

For what it's worth whether you go with the fuzzy or the jetway, I had great luck with
http://e-itx.com/mini-itx-motherboard-intel.htmll They were the best price, they put it together and tested it before shipped. From the research i've done the T7200 is the best bang for your buck. The price difference between that and the T5500 are not much. I've also started with a budgeted board and took many opinions of people telling me that, that board was more than plenty for what i needed. From my experience VIA chipsets are garbage as well as shared video memory up to 64mb. Now that's some BS. I would have saved myself alot of aggrivation if i beefed up from the beg. I felt a bit thrown off because I purchased the system through MP3car and bought StreetDeck. My main problem was trying to run audio and video and especially Streetdeck. From my research it seems that all front ends are graphics hungry especially Streetdeck. I'm a bit annoyed that they forgot the mention that running a "beginners" MOBO was a waste of time because all it will do is snap, crackle, pop, lag, oh yea and crash, all day everyday. My attitude was that if I was going to buy another board, I wasn't going to test the waters again and hope that the "minor" upgrade will make the difference. I maxed out the jetway board with the most cpu and ram I could add. Like this not only would I not have to worry about any of my current or should I say past issues i experienced, but this would allow me the capability of adding future extras. GO BIG OR GO HOME!

HiJackZX1 · 02-18-2008, 07:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Autockr989

For what it's worth whether you go with the fuzzy or the jetway, I had great luck with
http://e-itx.com/mini-itx-motherboard-intel.htmll They were the best price, they put it together and tested it before shipped. From the research i've done the T7200 is the best bang for your buck. The price difference between that and the T5500 are not much. I've also started with a budgeted board and took many opinions of people telling me that, that board was more than plenty for what i needed. From my experience VIA chipsets are garbage as well as shared video memory up to 64mb. Now that's some BS. I would have saved myself alot of aggrivation if i beefed up from the beg. I felt a bit thrown off because I purchased the system through MP3car and bought StreetDeck. My main problem was trying to run audio and video and especially Streetdeck. From my research it seems that all front ends are graphics hungry especially Streetdeck. I'm a bit annoyed that they forgot the mention that running a "beginners" MOBO was a waste of time because all it will do is snap, crackle, pop, lag, oh yea and crash, all day everyday. My attitude was that if I was going to buy another board, I wasn't going to test the waters again and hope that the "minor" upgrade will make the difference. I maxed out the jetway board with the most cpu and ram I could add. Like this not only would I not have to worry about any of my current or should I say past issues i experienced, but this would allow me the capability of adding future extras. GO BIG OR GO HOME!

OMG, thanx for the link. They have the Fuzzy for an ok price and the processor for 9 dollars more then I see everywhere else. I think thats a cool deal. I agree with the GO BIG OR GO HOME mentality, well at least now I do. Number one, I should have gone with a INTEL based board in the first place. The VIA was such a big disappointment. Then the M2-ATX was too.... I got the OPUS 320 now, but right now its lonely in its case, waiting to get it on with its FUZZY and processor, which I hope to get when I get my tax return.

Thanx so much for helping me to finally find a MoBo and Processor that will be more then enough for my needs.... and sorry Toaster for taking over your thread, and also thank you for your advice. You made me realize that I can go big without having to go BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG and over doing it.

Autockr989 · 02-19-2008, 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

OMG, thanx for the link. They have the Fuzzy for an ok price and the processor for 9 dollars more then I see everywhere else. I think thats a cool deal. I agree with the GO BIG OR GO HOME mentality, well at least now I do. Number one, I should have gone with a INTEL based board in the first place. The VIA was such a big disappointment. Then the M2-ATX was too.... I got the OPUS 320 now, but right now its lonely in its case, waiting to get it on with its FUZZY and processor, which I hope to get when I get my tax return.

Thanx so much for helping me to finally find a MoBo and Processor that will be more then enough for my needs.... and sorry Toaster for taking over your thread, and also thank you for your advice. You made me realize that I can go big without having to go BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG and over doing it.

Just curious. what type of issues did you have with the m2-atx. cause i've read mixed reviews with it, I have one and I don't think I've had issues with it.