Jetway J9F2-KHDE... What a P.O.S. - Page 6

2k1Toaster · 03-28-2008, 12:22 AM

Well you are lucky you can even get to the BIOS. Mine wouldnt boot at all.

Anyways to uninstall the Intel drivers just go to the device manager and right click the display controllers and uninstall.

Jistari · 03-29-2008, 02:11 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

Well you are lucky you can even get to the BIOS. Mine wouldnt boot at all.

Anyways to uninstall the Intel drivers just go to the device manager and right click the display controllers and uninstall.

Would windows not just say "Found new Hardware" and reinstall them when I reboot?
Wanna be clear on this before I go screwing things up for no reason.

Chamberlain wrote :
You are probably on version A01. Even the two replacement boards that I received, that had different color connectors and seemed updated, still came loaded with A01.

The easiest way to upgrade the BIOS (since there is no floppy!) is to use a USB card reader and create a boot disk on a CF card, along with awdflash.exe and the A04 bin file.

There definately is some wierd crap going on with the BIOS and also the intel driver thing, or maybe a combination of the Xenarcs with this MB, but now I feel that it is a solvable problem, as I have been running great for over 3 weeks now. Get the new BIOS and report back... if you need a copy of the awdflash and bin files let me know, but you will also need some HP utility out there that can turn a CF card into a bootable device... but I forget what it is at the moment...

Ya, I probably should do this. Also, just for your information, I read about a utility that will flash your bios right from within windows. If I do it I'm gonna go look for that.

rcdash · 04-03-2008, 10:38 PM

I have gotten this motherboard to be quite stable thus far. I did have this video blank issue occuring with the DVI port coming out of standby - where the CRT port would always work.

Anyway, I found that the A04 bios is the culprit. Going back to my "saved" A03 is all around better. Faster POST as well since it does not have the AHCI bios loader crap that is in A04.

Multiple reboots and going in and out of standby seem to be working well... (knock on wood). No more problems with lost video...

I am attaching a zip file with an "unflash.bat" file that I ran to "unflash" back to A03 (booting off of a USB flash drive created using the HP format tool and an image of Win98 DOS). The file called "old.bin" is the bios image that I saved prior to flashing to A04 (it is A03 dated 10/2007)

Chamberlin · 04-04-2008, 12:17 AM

just so you know, for me, it was going from A01 to A04 that fixed mine...so ultimately, it may not be all the bios version per se, but just installing a new one may help. I am still doing great with A04. But yea that extra bios loader stuff is a pain, and I haven't figured out how to bypass it... but gonna f with it much anymore... Again, I think this is one of THE most capable car pc motherboards available....if you can get it up and running. I don't think there is a faster MB out there with as many features. That is why it is a shame that something a stupid as a bios/video issue is holding back near perfection. Oh yea and they could also add 800x480 to the default res options

Jistari · 04-04-2008, 01:44 AM

Thanks a lot guys, just good to know 1) Im not the only one who has this problem and 2) There may be a light at the end of the tunnel (I just hope its not a train

).

I picked up a usb floppy so falshing the bios shouldnt be too hard. Guess Ill try A04 and see from there. Just gotta get the time to take it out of the car to get it done.

When I get it done Ill post the results.

Thanks again.

Autockr989 · 04-04-2008, 09:08 AM

You shouldn't have to flash from usb. jetway's website has a flash utility that can be ran out of windows..

http://jetwaycomputer.com/Download.html

click the third link which is to flash from windows.

Also, I've been running very stable for a while now. Now hiccups with anything especially my front end (SD). everything is fast. Even the visualizer through the SD runs awsome, which i should point out I was never able to see working at all before on my reg. VIA board.

One issue I have yet to resolve is booting with no keyboard. I haven't had the time to mess with the bios though. All in All a great purchase. Anyone know off hand the settings in the bios I need to change to remove the keyboard from booting.

Chamberlin · 04-04-2008, 12:02 PM

should be on the first bios page...halt on all errors but keyboard, or halt on no errors...give that a try

rcdash · 04-04-2008, 08:50 PM

A04 works if you do full shutdown/restarts. A03 works for everything, including resuming from standby. I'm telling you - unless you specifically need something addressed in A04, go with the bin I posted up there. You will be happy. I haven't had to reboot in days, it's been running constantly going in and out of standby. Very reliable!

Jistari · 04-04-2008, 10:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rcdash

A04 works if you do full shutdown/restarts. A03 works for everything, including resuming from standby. I'm telling you - unless you specifically need something addressed in A04, go with the bin I posted up there. You will be happy. I haven't had to reboot in days, it's been running constantly going in and out of standby. Very reliable!

Cool, thx, when I do Il'll try 3 first. Good to know.

(what kind of display are you using Rcdash? Im using a Xenarc).

Autockr989 · 04-07-2008, 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chamberlin

should be on the first bios page...halt on all errors but keyboard, or halt on no errors...give that a try

thanks worked!

Autockr989 · 04-07-2008, 10:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by rcdash

A04 works if you do full shutdown/restarts. A03 works for everything, including resuming from standby. I'm telling you - unless you specifically need something addressed in A04, go with the bin I posted up there. You will be happy. I haven't had to reboot in days, it's been running constantly going in and out of standby. Very reliable!

How do you have the standby set up. In bios? In Windows? right now when I shut the car off the computer stays on until power supply timer kills power to the computer. Monitor shuts off, but computer stays on, Should I not be running this way.

Jistari · 04-08-2008, 03:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Autockr989

How do you have the standby set up. In bios? In Windows? right now when I shut the car off the computer stays on until power supply timer kills power to the computer. Monitor shuts off, but computer stays on, Should I not be running this way.

If by that you mean that you are using standby (s3 or sleep) instead of hibernate (s4) you might want to consider doing it differently.

S3 powers most stuff down but retains information in ram (volitile memory) hence the need to retain some power to the computer. Should something interrupt the power to the computer (like your psu will do when due to the drain on the battery from keeping the computer powered for a long time, it shuts down the computer to ensure you are able to start the car later) you will loose the image of the state windows was in when put to sleep, so it wont wake up. It will have to do a full reboot.

S4 copies the contents of ram to the hard disk, then completely shuts down the computer. No power is needed to resume from S4, it stays on hard disk till you restart the machine (you could completely remove the pc from the car and when you powered it up it would resume from where you suspended (hibernated) it.)

So you might want to set yours up to S4 hibernate as soon as you shut the key.

Jistari · 04-08-2008, 03:51 AM

Alrighty then, just an update on the continuing (intermittent white screen and no post visible at boot) Im experienceing.

#1 Went to update the bios, found I was already running A04. Was going to flash to A03 anyway, didnt seem to work (was using the awdflash v8.83 recommended on the Jetway site). Followed the instructions, but it just sat there blinking at me. One problem was that I was doing it with a floppy drive, the bios file is 1 meg so there wasnt room for the A03 and the backup of the one I had in there when I started on the same disk, so in the end I figured why tempt fate. Im running A04, which should work (but Im still getting the problem (more below).

#2 Looking for something else to do I started poking around on the bios pages looking for a solution (well trying different things that may or may not affect it).
I found an item under PnP config that allowed me to "power display at boot" with choices for PCI or Onboard. It was set to power PCI first (Im using the onboard graphics) so I set it for Onboard.

Prior to poking around, about half the time I booted the pc in the car I got no video on post (just a white screen).

After changing the above mentioned item, I get the white screen about one in ten times I boot. So I cant say I fixed it but it seems to be better.

#3 I also pulled the monitor and pc out of the car and tested it on the bench with an ac powersupply due to questions about "running the display cables alongside the power wires and possibly effecting the vga signal" and also because although I used a very good shielded vga cable, I ran it to the back of the car thru a speaker enclosure, hence right near a big magnet. No luck, still had the problem with the pc and monitor out of the car and on clean power. So the idea that it has something to do with either the signal or the power is not looking good.

Question :

Is anyone here running WinXP SP2 on a Jetway J9F2 KHDE with a Xenarc Monitor ?

Just asking because while many have been kind enough to reply with fixes that work for them, it would be helpful to know if anyone has got this working with exactly the equipment Im using?

Autockr989 · 04-08-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jistari

Alrighty then, just an update on the continuing (intermittent white screen and no post visible at boot) Im experienceing.

#1 Went to update the bios, found I was already running A04. Was going to flash to A03 anyway, didnt seem to work (was using the awdflash v8.83 recommended on the Jetway site). Followed the instructions, but it just sat there blinking at me. One problem was that I was doing it with a floppy drive, the bios file is 1 meg so there wasnt room for the A03 and the backup of the one I had in there when I started on the same disk, so in the end I figured why tempt fate. Im running A04, which should work (but Im still getting the problem (more below).

#2 Looking for something else to do I started poking around on the bios pages looking for a solution (well trying different things that may or may not affect it).
I found an item under PnP config that allowed me to "power display at boot" with choices for PCI or Onboard. It was set to power PCI first (Im using the onboard graphics) so I set it for Onboard.

Prior to poking around, about half the time I booted the pc in the car I got no video on post (just a white screen).

After changing the above mentioned item, I get the white screen about one in ten times I boot. So I cant say I fixed it but it seems to be better.

#3 I also pulled the monitor and pc out of the car and tested it on the bench with an ac powersupply due to questions about "running the display cables alongside the power wires and possibly effecting the vga signal" and also because although I used a very good shielded vga cable, I ran it to the back of the car thru a speaker enclosure, hence right near a big magnet. No luck, still had the problem with the pc and monitor out of the car and on clean power. So the idea that it has something to do with either the signal or the power is not looking good.

Question :

Is anyone here running WinXP SP2 on a Jetway J9F2 KHDE with a Xenarc Monitor ?

Just asking because while many have been kind enough to reply with fixes that work for them, it would be helpful to know if anyone has got this working with exactly the equipment Im using?

I'm running the same setup. Except with A03 bios. Try using the windows utility from jetways website under "downloads" (Stated above) It's called winflash. This allows you to flash the bios through windows.

Back to what you stated above about my issue, is it bad to run the system the way I do. I'm not using standby. When I turn the car off, then on, windows or whatever i had running is still showing, so I don't think it's sleeping.

rcdash · 04-08-2008, 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jistari

Cool, thx, when I do Il'll try 3 first. Good to know.

(what kind of display are you using Rcdash? Im using a Xenarc).

700tsv Xenarc is the target, but it comes inside a lot and is hooked up to dual monitors - a samsung 24" and CRT. Win XP SP2. Once the software is finalized it'll go back to replace my MB896 unit (which I swap out with this unit, so the car always has a unit). Have not tested extensively with the Xenarc.

EDIT: Just to clarify I have 2 car PCs, running virtually the same software - interchangeable in the car.

With A04, once the screen goes blank - nothing brings it back reliably - something in the hardware is screwed till you do a hard power off and power on again. Resetting is not reliable. I tested A04, just rebooting 10 times worked fine. Then went into standby, came back out, rebooted 10 times and screen was blank 7 out of 10 times on the DVI port. Bizarre. A03 = no issue for me. I flashed using a thumb drive to boot up Win98 DOS. (search the net for the HP flash drive format utility)

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