Hardware Review: MoCoSo Lilliput EBY701 Transflective - Page 2

hailrazer · 09-29-2009, 08:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by trader007

i really don't know. they ran around $450 when they were around, and i got mine for $299 because nobody bit on the auction (last winter, in the middle of the bank collapse). it looks exactly like it does in those pictures even though those pics really dont do it justice. i can read the screen easily in the brightest sun even with sunglasses on. whatever process was used, it looks perfect and works excellent in the daylight.

No you don't have the optically bonded one then.

They cost around $600. They bond the touchscreen to the Lcd to eliminate any glare between the two panels. And they add AG to the touchscreen for added glare resistance. Makes even more of a difference.

theonlykid · 10-02-2009, 12:04 AM

Thanks to all for the review and feedback on our monitors. It seems that a lot of people are having problems with the double din housing. I will see what steps can be taken with the MFG and internally to correct the issues.

trader007 · 10-02-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by hailrazer

No you don't have the optically bonded one then.

They cost around $600. They bond the touchscreen to the Lcd to eliminate any glare between the two panels. And they add AG to the touchscreen for added glare resistance. Makes even more of a difference.

yeah i was pretty sure it wasnt a true transflective, but i cant say im even a little dissapointed... whatever process was used works very well, the only worry i have is durability throughout the years of hot and cold.. we shall see though! besides, it was hard enough for me to spend $300 on such a little screen. to spend $600, i couldnt even do that.

theonlykid · 10-02-2009, 11:18 AM

This seems like as good of a place as any to clear up what a transflective screen is. There is no such thing as a "true transflective" screen. Transflective is a generic term like Band aid or Kleenex. If you cut your finger you don't ask for a CVS adhesive bandage, you say Band aid. Transflective refers to any monitor that has been enhanced for better viewing in sunlight, whether it be direct or indirect. Their are a number of different technologies that can be used alone or together to create a screen that can be viewed in sunlight. They include passive enhancements like 3M ESR, BEF II, and DBEF II films, as well as anti glare (AG) /anti reflective (AR) coatings, and circular polarizers. Their are also active enhancements like modified brighter LCD panels and backlights. The chosen technology or combination of technologies will determine how viewable the screen is in sunlight. Each technology has its advantages and disadvantages. Certain combination's work together to create a better product and some cancel each other out and cant be used for that reason. There is a lot of science that goes in to a high quality transflective monitor. It isn't just a matter of slapping a few parts together and calling it a day.
That means that a monitor that has just a sheet of ESR in the LCD panel is a transflective screen. However the performance of that monitor will be sub standard when compared to a monitor that uses a combination of different technologies.
To call a monitor with just a sheet of ESR in the panel transflective is very misleading, but not a lie. It is just a low quality TFE screen. Our TFE monitors use a minimum of 4 different technologies to achieve the final result.

trader007 · 10-02-2009, 03:09 PM

thanks for clearing that up kid. im pretty sure my screen has the 3m ESR and the BEFII layers on it... at least thats what i was told. hopefully soon we will be able to drop the whole 'transflective' labeling all together, and theyll just make all the small screens sunlight readable (meaning the cost will drop significantly).

theonlykid · 10-02-2009, 10:07 PM

Trader that day is closer then you know. More to come on that in the next few days.

trader007 · 10-03-2009, 12:42 AM

i know we live in the stone age when it comes to displays. oled is going to change the entire game. bezel fabrication will become nearly extinct as screens will be 3mm thick and flexible enough to roll up like a newspaper... meaning you can install them anywhere instantly. and since they produce their own light with contrast levels never before seen in typical displays, 'transflective' coatings will be even less important. also, the plugin potential to add heads-up displays to your windshield should be grand- even on your mirrors- the oled screens themselves will be transparent, and allow you to apply them like a film right on glass. that way, use the mirror or window as normal, and if you want the enhanced vision you can turn the display on. again, all this can be done without any real modification to the car at all when oled comes to market.

hailrazer · 10-03-2009, 11:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by trader007

i know we live in the stone age when it comes to displays. oled is going to change the entire game. bezel fabrication will become nearly extinct as screens will be 3mm thick and flexible enough to roll up like a newspaper... meaning you can install them anywhere instantly. and since they produce their own light with contrast levels never before seen in typical displays, 'transflective' coatings will be even less important. also, the plugin potential to add heads-up displays to your windshield should be grand- even on your mirrors- the oled screens themselves will be transparent, and allow you to apply them like a film right on glass. that way, use the mirror or window as normal, and if you want the enhanced vision you can turn the display on. again, all this can be done without any real modification to the car at all when oled comes to market.

Yea they have been saying that for over 10 years now. LOL

theonlykid · 10-03-2009, 09:12 PM

I was refering to something other then the OLED screens. I will be posting a long review/ ton of info about the changes that Lilliput has made to their monitors in the next few days

thehump · 10-23-2009, 11:42 PM

i cheaped out and bought the non Transflectiveversion as i thought it was a marketing ploy but probably regret not bucking up the extra cash for the Transflectiveone. My non Transflective also had mounting issues with the small screws but like others say it just needs a washer and some hot glue. I wish I read this review before i bought =(.

However, that being said, the non-Transflective is not that big of an issue for me as the design of my car has a very straight edge windshield, so I dont get any sun coming overhead onto my dash, so I dont think its actually needed in my case.

Mears · 11-02-2009, 03:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by theonlykid

I was refering to something other then the OLED screens. I will be posting a long review/ ton of info about the changes that Lilliput has made to their monitors in the next few days

And?

RipplingHurst · 11-02-2009, 03:42 PM

Do this EBY 701 support features that the 629 don't?

Both are liliputs, right? Do lilliputs rotate 180 degrees, to mount in the overhead console? Do they have the auto on feature? Do they save the brightness and contrast settings even if their power is cut (like when feeding their power from the PSU).

I'm looking to buy a transflective, but I'd like to have a transflective Xenarc. I've heard horrible things about lilliputs, so why we don't see transflective Xenarcs or others?

And how long are we going to see only 7"? I'd like to see 8", 9" and 10" tranflective touchscreen monitors, but I guess not.

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