Voice control crashing RR on resume

Iceman_jkh · 02-06-2008, 06:06 AM

I wanted to put this in a new thread, rather than the old "Voice Control embedded in RR" one.

My RR crashes pretty consistently (90%) upon resume if I have Voice Control enabled. (Intel DG965SS + E4500 + 512MB ram)
Is anyone else experiencing this (and possibly not attributing it to Voice Control)? If so, try disable VC and see if theres a difference.

Hopefully we can figure out what is crashing and rectify it. I really want to use voice control on my carpc.

Is there anyway to unload VC upon hibernate and re-load it upon resume?
I know I can 'disable' it, but that didnt improve the crash rate.

Ice

brandensin · 02-06-2008, 10:43 AM

it didn't crash my crappy umpc... I've been playing with it lately and really enjoy talking to it... Didn't crash not even once... However, i have my own issue... Iceman, how are you dealing with the problem of it listening to itself... When music is on, it's going nuts...

Iceman_jkh · 02-09-2008, 08:53 PM

havent even addressed that issue yet, as I cant get it to resume successfully

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Until such time that it works on resume all the time, Im not gonna bother working on it anymore.
J

brandensin · 02-09-2008, 09:14 PM

Hey you probably have done this already.. but let's make sure... I don't know if u have same version as mine.... put all of the files in RR root and register voiceControl.dll..
Before you register, unregister what you have already for clean install... And enable the VC in RR.ini of course.. then launch RR and see what happens...

Good luck..

Iceman_jkh · 02-09-2008, 11:00 PM

I think I have that one already. But I'll try it anyway - anything to get VC working

Will report back.

Iceman_jkh · 02-27-2008, 07:14 PM

Nope. Got round to trying it. Still crashes RR.

Perhaps a new version may come out in the future.
Gotta switch to something else for now I think.

guino · 02-29-2008, 08:45 AM

RR doesn't do anything (handling wise) to the voice control object when hibernate/resuming -- if it doesn't crash when not using voice control, sounds like it could be an issue with either the plugin itself or M$ speech (or both). You can try to add a delay when resuming from hibernation to see if it gives time to re-set the speech objects in M$'s side -- you could try that by running a small command/script with RUNW in the ONRESUME event.

Iceman_jkh · 02-29-2008, 06:54 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Guino.
Is there any way to delay RR's access/use of the speech engine?
Like disabling it (causing it to ignore speech) for a while.. and then turning it back on after say 5 seconds.

I do currently have a delay set, so that the PC waits for RR to be ready, then waits for winamp, then waits for a third party app. Perhaps 2-3 seconds all up, but the voice control crashes just after windows resumes, and it crashes RR, not just the voice aspect. Probably cause RR is loading the voice DLL.

guino · 03-02-2008, 10:53 PM

you should probably make a .bat file to run with CMD.EXE containing tha PAUSE command... then put it on exectbl as the ONRESUME event.. then resume and wait a few seconds before pressing any key to continue... if it crashes after that anyway (or without pressing), chances are that something is wrong in the voice control dll itself, if not, see how many seconds you need to wait in order for it not to crash...

c:\pause.bat :
pause

ExecTBL:
"ONSUSPEND","RUNW;CMD.EXE|/C c:\pause.bat"

ThunderStick · 03-04-2008, 08:37 AM

It allmost sounds like his DLL is not registering properly. I can get RR to crash if I enable voice control from RRCOnfig before registering the DLL.

ThunderStick · 03-04-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by brandensin

it didn't crash my crappy umpc... I've been playing with it lately and really enjoy talking to it... Didn't crash not even once... However, i have my own issue... Iceman, how are you dealing with the problem of it listening to itself... When music is on, it's going nuts...

I have the same problem. So I axed the idea of using voicecontrol all together. It constantly was screwing up.
Even with my noise cancelling $60.00 super microphone.
Oh well...

brandensin · 03-04-2008, 10:05 AM

Shouldn't voice control be under control unless a key word is activated... It should only be ready to listen for a command after I call it, "Computer".. "yes sir"

So, thunderstick, you are not using this at all? well... if 60 bucks expensive toy can't control the voice control, then i guess voice control can't be controlled... I am gonna give up too then until someone can control this wild boy...

Iceman_jkh · 03-05-2008, 01:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ThunderStick

It allmost sounds like his DLL is not registering properly. I can get RR to crash if I enable voice control from RRCOnfig before registering the DLL.

It worked fine on the first instance that I loaded voicecontrol. It just didnt recover from Hibernate correctly. I dont know if windows needs to reregister DLL's (Im not a programmer/expert), but I didnt think it did have to. Anyway, I'll try Guinos PAUSE batch file suggestion and see what happens.

I only want to use voice for phonetic alphabet to input street names, tracks, artists and genres for when I rip CD's or use SATNAV.. nothing fancy.

ThunderStick · 03-05-2008, 08:40 AM

[quote=brandensin;1184303]Shouldn't voice control be under control unless a key word is activated... It should only be ready to listen for a command after I call it, "Computer".. "yes sir"...[\QUOTE]

In a noisy environment like your car it seems to screw up a lot. Even just sitting in my computer room at home with minimal noise, it was causing a lot of problems. For some reason even when using a keyword, it did not want to cooperate.
Probably just some bugs with the voice control program it self.

Iceman_jkh · 03-11-2008, 09:14 AM

Thanks for the idea Guino. 5 consecutive tests (hibernate/resumes) with ~5second wait before pressing a key resulted in speech NOT crashing at all.

Once I did press something, RR updated itself to the songs current position, as it seems winamp was not paused only RR. So although no music came out, the song's position still advanced ~5seconds.

Still, this is excellent news

. Is there a recent RR source where I can look at the speech coding? Is there anyway to better protect RR from errors in that it first checks if RR.SDK exists? I wrote a small app myself a while back and it had exactly the same problem. I now realise its because both apps use the SDK protocol and they were both crashing on resume for the same reason.