O/S That fit's on 1 floppy! MenuET OS - Page 3

eatyummypuppies · 08-03-2004, 09:44 AM

Your Linux machine is not as "usable" as a Windows machine. You have compensated for that lack of usability by applying more effort in learning it. Not only that, but chances are your distro. was created by a FOR PROFIT entity, which was the origin of the resources that went into the developement of the software-- even if it's only a half-assed effort such as a revenue-from-support model.

Ask yourself the following questions:
(a)Why are there so many in-car media systems developed for Windows? (b)What programming language are almost all of them written in? (c)What's the difference between that language and the languages available to one developing for Linux?

(And I'm not trying to jack this thread with a Windows VS Linux debate either, I'm trying to jack it with a profit motive VS altruism debate.)

Tidder · 08-05-2004, 12:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies

It makes me sick when people with zero coding experience regard excellent software as a naturally occurring phenomenon. You have no idea how much work is involved with even the smallest project.

Man, shut up dude. I have programming experience. I program in c+ and VB. Give me a break, I know how long it takes to make a damn program. It took me like 3 weeks just for a winamp frontend, and half of it was already written for me. I have no knowledge of assembly, that is correct. But who cares. Someone with the time and skill could make this something good, and I wouldn't mind paying for it. Your just stuck in conformist ways. "think outside..."

Quote: Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies

There's something patently solipsistic in looking at this software and thinking "Damn, this is so much better than what actually works well, even though it doesn't actually work at all."

I think you used solipsistic in the wrong context.

frodobaggins · 08-05-2004, 12:38 AM

If the flames start, this thread is over.
I can feel it in the air.

NoPistonPC · 08-05-2004, 01:11 AM

Free software ****es me off too. Frodo, I hate you and your inferior player.

Tidder · 08-05-2004, 01:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NoPistonPC

Free software ****es me off too. Frodo, I hate you and your inferior player.

Your just ****ed off that you can't write anything that anybody could actually use, like frodoplayer.

frodobaggins · 08-05-2004, 01:36 AM

*sigh*

eatyummypuppies · 08-05-2004, 01:56 AM

Tidder,
You've imagined that this OS is better than Windows. It's not. It may have potential, but it doesn't actually perform the functions required for our application. An imagined potential is not comparable to anything in existence. When I finally succeed in convincing the world of this, my work will be finished.

frodo,
I was just kidding about this whole crazy 'not agreeing with everything everyone has ever said' nonsense, but not really. No need to jump the gun, tiger.

Edit:
frodo,
If you had a couple hundred grand to throw into development, would your software be better or worse?

gospeed.racer · 08-05-2004, 02:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NoPistonPC

Free software ****es me off too. Frodo, I hate you and your inferior player.

Dude, I hope you meant to put a winkie or a smile after that statement to show your joking....otherwise that is just plain wrong. Its one thing to not want to use his player, but another entirely to call it Inferior when it is a free program written with sweat and beers (not to mention it just flat out ROCKS!)

Bitoholic · 08-05-2004, 02:15 AM

I would have to agree with some of the things eatyummiepuppies is saying. Windows has a very large API. It may have its problems, but with XP there is a lot there that would take several man years to even come close to reproducing. You may only need a small subset of features for a car pc application, but there is still a lot to consider.

You really have to step back and look at the big picture. If you take a look at all the compatibility that Windows and even Linux offers over something like MenuetOS, it is quite a difference. There is so much out there to build on, why reinvent the wheel? It would be much better to start of with a trimmed down Linux Kernel and add the modules you need for a car pc app and build on that then take a small project like MenuetOS and try to make a square peg fit in a round hole. Not to mention that hands down Microsoft has the best development tools of any platform besides Apple. The productivity level is another factor to consider.

There is a lot to consider if you take design seriously in your application. That is all I am saying... Just my .02

Take care

C4M · 08-05-2004, 03:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NoPistonPC

Free software ****es me off too. Frodo, I hate you and your inferior player.

Quote: Originally Posted by gospeedracer

Dude, I hope you meant to put a winkie or a smile after that statement to show your joking....otherwise that is just plain wrong. Its one thing to not want to use his player, but another entirely to call it Inferior when it is a free program written with sweat and beers (not to mention it just flat out ROCKS!)

Well I appreciated the irony of NoPistonPC's comment

C!

NoPistonPC · 08-05-2004, 03:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by C4M

Well I appreciated the irony of NoPistonPC's comment

C!

NoPistonPC · 08-05-2004, 03:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies

frodo,
If you had a couple hundred grand to throw into development, would your software be better or worse?

I agree with you that throwing money into a software project will yield better results. I also agree with you that it is rare to find free software that is better than it's commercial counterpart. However, I think it is wrong for you to turn people away from "altruistic" open-source projects that have not reached their "imagined potential". While it is true that Windows XP is an amazingly useful piece of software and MenuET is nothing more than a novelty item, you should not discourage people from trying out new things. Granted, I would never waste my time with MenuET, but someone else might. Some of the best discoveries and inventions have occured as a result of stubborn bastards who refuse to settle for the status quo.

EDIT:

Quote: Originally Posted by Tidder

Your just ****ed off that you can't write anything that anybody could actually use, like frodoplayer.

Tidder, I love your posts man. Keep 'em coming.

Yuriy · 08-05-2004, 04:28 AM

http://www.menuetos.org/applics.html

Here are the apps currently available for the OS.
No MP3 player.. that's a shame because such OS would really help me out with my P133 system.
Although it only takes ~6 seconds for me to come out of standby in Win98 SE

OdysseyPC · 08-05-2004, 04:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by eatyummypuppies

Ask yourself the following questions:
(a)Why are there so many in-car media systems developed for Windows?
(b)What programming language are almost all of them written in?
(c)What's the difference between that language and the languages available to one developing for Linux?

a) Because windows offers simple RAD programs that can easily be found off a number of warez sites for free.

b) VB, cause it takes very few brain cells to code. In fact, it's the only language where the code written has an efficiency factor in direct proportion to how much beer you are consuming at the time.

c) I associate C/C++ with Linux, programming in C/C++ forces the programmer to code efficiently from the start. Also it is which way you look at it a lot more powerful than VB.

Don't get me wrong I'm a strong advocate of VB and the Windows Development, but I find your argument of "Your Linux machine is not as "usable" as a Windows machine" to be a little off par. Words spoken by the true one-eyed Windows supporter, unharmed by the complete customization bug that one is bitten with when they start to hack at their first Linux distro.

Ricky327 · 08-05-2004, 07:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NoPistonPC

While it is true that Windows XP is an amazingly useful piece of software and MenuET is nothing more than a novelty item, you should not discourage people from trying out new things. Granted, I would never waste my time with MenuET, but someone else might. Some of the best discoveries and inventions have occured as a result of stubborn bastards who refuse to settle for the status quo.

Exactly...I agree.

Let them play with what they wanna play with. Its amazes me why poeple get so bothered with someone else project

Let them ask themselves a question :
How come theres a few media player around?
Theres even a few software written just for car PC.
There are many different skins/VIS available.
Why bother with all this crap when you can just use windows XP?

Why? because they are not happy with what windows XP can do...dohhh.

I cant see the difference making another OS to their own spec or making another software.