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07-26-2007, 06:31 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 9
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Quote: Originally Posted by moleman 
is there any way to hook that thing up to a router?
there is a Linksys router that will work with some SprintPCS PC cards (PCMCIA).
here is the link to the Linksys page.
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...=9873239789B01
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07-26-2007, 12:40 PM
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Admin. Don't bug or I'll byte.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Corning, NY
Posts: 4,677
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Quote: Originally Posted by monkeyracer 
So my question to the wifi'ers, is this:
How do you stand all the issues with trying to get a wifi connection on the road?
Why not just own up to it and pay for a better, more reliable, (a lot more) secure connection?
Spoken like a guy who only pays $15 a month for high speed mobile internet access. At $60 a month, mobile net access is too much money.
I use my WiFi to transfer files from the house to the car PC. It eliminates the need to get it close to the router to plug a cable in.
And what's wrong with sitting outside a coffe shop and using the WiFi? I just duck in and get a soda and now I'm a customer.
Also, you shouldn't assume that those who have WiFi use it the same as someone with an always on mobile connection.
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07-26-2007, 01:58 PM
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Wants to make it harder
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lakehood, CO
Posts: 1,371
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I pay $15/month now, but when I leave this company, I am more than willing to pay the $50/month (SERO) for it. I'd rather pay that for internet anywhere, than the same amount (or more) for comcrap (comcast cable) just at home. Even using the phone as a modem through bluetooth (or USB cable) is not that bad, $40/month; but if you are already paying $15/month for data access on the cell phone, it's only an extra $25...
What's wrong with sitting in front of a coffee shop? nothing, as long as you play by the rules. If it's provided free, go right ahead for it. I would just rather have it without having to stop, especially if I want to buy a new song and download it while driving.
Regarding question in my first post: You guys have made some interesting points and made me realize why some of you guys do it.
any other thought on the subject?
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07-26-2007, 05:03 PM
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 134
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I feel the same too, I did have a wi-fi card in my car-pc, but it just wasn't worth it driving around trying to find an open wi-fi connection which depending on where you are can be few and far between, I actualy just added the $20 unlimited data plan onto my cell service and use my RAZR V3xx which is 3.5G capable as a modem, works great, just wish AT&T would upgrade their towers around here since I only average about 768k down, not that 768k down is bad or anything for what I actualy use it for, fast enough to stream sirius internet radio and videos on youtube.
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07-26-2007, 05:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Marysville, North of Seattle WA
Posts: 34
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I have a Wifi card in my Jeep because at work we have 3 locations that are open and I have access to all three locations. I would be nuts to pay when I could use it for free.  As well I update my machine and my files at home while sitting in the garage. I dont need on the road internet access because I have a cell phone that has web access and a browser so I can check my email without my Jeep too.
As for all that Mac filtering stuff. Sure hack my system and use my wireless. I just hope you know what MAC addresses I have allowed and what computer names I have set to allow. Its not that tough to setup. Basic security goes along way.
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07-26-2007, 10:05 PM
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Maximum Bitrate
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 545
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Quote: Originally Posted by kizer 
I have a Wifi card in my Jeep because at work we have 3 locations that are open and I have access to all three locations. I would be nuts to pay when I could use it for free.  As well I update my machine and my files at home while sitting in the garage. I dont need on the road internet access because I have a cell phone that has web access and a browser so I can check my email without my Jeep too.
As for all that Mac filtering stuff. Sure hack my system and use my wireless. I just hope you know what MAC addresses I have allowed and what computer names I have set to allow. Its not that tough to setup. Basic security goes along way.
Kismet will show all the clients associated with your access point. It's just a matter of waiting for one to go away, change your mac to that one and ta-da! Though once you've done this you've definitely gone into the black-hat side and committed a felony. If the access point was open to the world you could at least try to act stupid and say winbloze did it all on it's own.
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07-27-2007, 01:05 AM
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FLAC
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 936
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Quote: Originally Posted by monkeyracer 
i can download e-mails while driving, and then, when i'm stopped and it's safe to do so, read through them. also, my passenger can go onto google and look up a restaurant we want to go to, get the number, and call for reservations, etc.
for me the cost is negligible. i use the mobile broadband as my only internet access. So I just bring the card with me in my car.
RE: MAC address (or other security) it's not about bypassing any security, or any of that. It's more about the fact that you have to go stop somewhere and sit outside the place, to get your weather updates, etc. Also my client just happened to get new equipment and hadn't gone through their security set-up anyways.
I actually only pay $15/month for it (employee discount!) but after I leave this company, I will gladly pay $60/for the access. This is the competing rate for other connections, and I get speeds like this:
This is an average speed, most of the time I get around this number.
My whole point with the thread is, how do you guys do it? Go sit in front of coffee shops when you need to update anything?
Oh, and you can get dictation software (TTS) to read the email to you, or web pages, etc. The situation above would have been a perfect situation. I could have had my e-mail in the background, downloading new messages, and when I stopped, I could have just gone through my front end to the email and made sure I was at the right place and time.
My Blackberry does everything you just listed better than that and it costs less than $60 per month.
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07-27-2007, 01:25 AM
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: USA, Oregon
Posts: 118
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Also, MonkeyRacer
Not every place has coverage. You are exchanging always-on convienence for $$$. I live in a city that has free WiFi so I don't have to pay a dime or park to access it. Slow, but I am not downloading songs or anything large, just traffic updates and email.
The building in the downtown area seem to confuse Verizot and Singular!
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07-27-2007, 03:19 AM
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cheap custom title
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ghent - Belgium
Posts: 1,856
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The only problem I have with 3G for the moment is not bandwith but latency.
Plus the fact that Vodafone uses transparent proxy-ing. This proxy doesn't do only caching, but it also compresses images and deletes all line breaks in html code!
Anyway, still going to buy one of those new USB 3G modems to replace my pcmcia card soon!
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07-27-2007, 09:18 AM
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Wants to make it harder
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lakehood, CO
Posts: 1,371
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blackberry plans include phone as a modem, at least on sprint. That's only $40/month. so if you are already paying it, you essentially get this free. For those that are paying for a normal data plan, it's not too much more to upgrade to the phone as a modem access.
re- cities without coverage: for those that live in cities not yet covered, something is coming soon; WiMax. Sprint and ClearWire are planning to have 100 million people covered by end of 2008, and 300 million sometime thereafter.
http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2...19/111036.html
What does that mean? Every single population in the united states will be covered, or pretty darn close to it. That's still a little ways out, but no other company has a plan to cover the entire nation, whether it's wired or wireless.
And everyone wonders why sprint merged with (bought out) nextel...
Last edited by monkeyracer; 07-27-2007 at 09:24 AM.
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07-27-2007, 12:28 PM
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Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 9
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Quote: Originally Posted by shiltz 
I actualy just added the $20 unlimited data plan onto my cell service and use my RAZR V3xx which is 3.5G capable as a modem, works great, just wish AT&T would upgrade their towers around here since I only average about 768k down, not that 768k down is bad or anything for what I actualy use it for, fast enough to stream sirius internet radio and videos on youtube.
I had not considered this as a possible bandwidth source for on-the-road, but I definitely will now. $20/month is a bargain compared to the $60/month I thought it was going to run. It seemed like it ought to work, but I wasn't sure that it actually could. Thanks for this info, Shiltz. The Death Star will probably be getting another $20/mo out of me once I get my carpc built and installed.
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07-27-2007, 12:34 PM
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Constant Bitrate
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 218
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Quote: Originally Posted by BarryWoods 
Mac filtering won't do ****. I can change my mac address at will. I don't know about you guys, but $40 a month or whatever it is, is way cheaper than a felony conviction. Me, I can wait till I'm at work or home.
So mac filtering really does nothing. 
I think you misunderstood the above.
It's not that most of us don't want to spend the money (in this case $40/month). It's that we've done the calculation in our own heads and determined that, IN OUR CASE, we don't get enough use out of the internet on a day to day basis to justify the expense. For instance, MAYBE once or so a week, as I drive my cab around, I have both tthe time and the need to look something up/check my mail. I use my wireless sitting in front of a hotel in Downtown...A place I spend most of my time in anyway.
Your contention is that rather than doing this, I should go out & spend the $40/month for that one google-search per week? Perhaps for yourself. Perhaps you use the internet enough to justify the cost. But for me the cost/benefit ratio is just too high.
I'd think there are a lot of people who'd agree.
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07-27-2007, 04:24 PM
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Maximum Bitrate
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 545
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheLandYacht 
I think you misunderstood the above.
It's not that most of us don't want to spend the money (in this case $40/month). It's that we've done the calculation in our own heads and determined that, IN OUR CASE, we don't get enough use out of the internet on a day to day basis to justify the expense. For instance, MAYBE once or so a week, as I drive my cab around, I have both tthe time and the need to look something up/check my mail. I use my wireless sitting in front of a hotel in Downtown...A place I spend most of my time in anyway.
Your contention is that rather than doing this, I should go out & spend the $40/month for that one google-search per week? Perhaps for yourself. Perhaps you use the internet enough to justify the cost. But for me the cost/benefit ratio is just too high.
I'd think there are a lot of people who'd agree.
A felony is a felony, no matter how you try to justify it. Unless you knock on every door of the "free" access points, and ask the owners for permission, you're illegally connecting to a network. Most real public wifi is for patrons of some store, panara bread, starbucks, what ever, they usually have a sign stating that. So if someone was to go in and buy a coffee or something like that then it's cool. I just don't see the jail time as worth it.
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07-27-2007, 04:48 PM
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Wants to make it harder
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lakehood, CO
Posts: 1,371
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I'd rather pay $50 per month than to be sitting in a jail cell.
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07-27-2007, 04:50 PM
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Newbie
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 9
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Most places that I have dealt with that have free access Wi-Fi (I have not used Panera bread or Starbucks) have a 'log in' page that requests a id code or a user name. Now sometimes it is stupidly easy to guess, but that is the the fault of the IT guy that set that up.
Now I am not saying that if you can guess it use it, and I am not condoning the 'hijacking' or other use of a system that is not yours and with out permission.
There is a coffee shop that I used to go to, before I was transferred to another town, that when you bought a drink or other refreshment on the receipt was printed a id code, about 20 random numerical digits that allowed 12 hour access. Every receipt printed that day has the same code. The next day the code was changed to a new set of 20 digits. I personally would stay inside with my laptop just because I am more comfortable sitting at a desk to put my coffee on than the cup holder in my van, and you can meet some interesting people in the coffee shop.

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