The legalities of wardriving. - Page 10

Ste_nova · 06-28-2006, 06:53 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by CoyoteBoy

but in the UK a few people have been prosecuted (fined in the end) for bandwidth theft by accessing their neighbours wireless router that wasnt secure

yes but whats the likelyhood of being caught while in a car... esp if you have a 3g connection thats allways on

Enforcer · 06-28-2006, 07:14 AM

It's like having sex in a car.

Chances of you getting caught are minimal, but if you do it'll be all over the news.

BarryWoods · 06-29-2006, 12:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Enforcer

It's like having sex in a car.

Chances of you getting caught are minimal, but if you do it'll be all over the news.

We were parked out by the tracks
We're sitting in the back
And we just started getting busy
When she whispered "what was that?"
The wind, I think 'cause no one else knows where we are
And that was when she started screamin'
"That's my dad outside the car!"
Oh please, the keys, they're not in the ignition
Must have wound up on the floor while
we were switching our positions
I guess they knew that she was missing
As I tried to tell her dad it was her mouth that I was kissing

silv3rman · 07-02-2006, 07:39 PM

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Graywolf · 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by yrean

i dont beleive its legal exactly. and morally its probably not right anyhow. but that doesnt mean it wont continue to happen. im sure theres loopholes with it in the law with alot of other things that occur on the internet that will allow people to continue to do it.

BTW. even secure networks arent secure.. if your running wireless even with encryption your not safe. hell actually mac addresses arent entirely safe since they can be cloned. but thats a little harder to do then break an encryption key. think im ****tying you? google "airsnort" thats the software that allows an encryption key to be decrypted just by testing packets. i never use encyption keys but filter by MAC.

It's a lot easier to copy a mac address than decrypt a encryption key...Then its just a matter of waiting until that person isn't using the computer to login.

miztahsparklez · 07-10-2006, 11:53 PM

i think wardriving is just taking the signals that are broadcasted out (i think this can be disabled by not broadcasting your SSID i believe) and putting them on a map. basically youre just finding sources and how strong those sources of wireless broadcasts are coming from. im sure cell phone tower operators do something similar when trying to figure out whats going on around their towers.

on teh other hand, what you do with those connections is another story. think of it like one of those handheld walkie talkies, you broadcast to a specific channel or id, and most of the time people on the same channel can "see" the source. now if you started talking on it and using it, and nobody cares, then i dont see why not use it. but if the people say hey get off, then you should have the common sense to say okay, and just get off.

if you did get stopped though, i mean really who teh hell has a computer inside tehir car besides you and the cop? you can easily just tell him that you get some sort of satellite internet or something.

another way to think of things... they sell those wifi locator things... is that legal? and hmm.. what exactly would people do when they found a site using the locator? well duh, use their computer to connect. that cant be any worse....

BarryWoods · 07-11-2006, 12:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by miztahsparklez

i think wardriving is just taking the signals that are broadcasted out (i think this can be disabled by not broadcasting your SSID i believe) and putting them on a map. basically youre just finding sources and how strong those sources of wireless broadcasts are coming from. im sure cell phone tower operators do something similar when trying to figure out whats going on around their towers.

on teh other hand, what you do with those connections is another story. think of it like one of those handheld walkie talkies, you broadcast to a specific channel or id, and most of the time people on the same channel can "see" the source. now if you started talking on it and using it, and nobody cares, then i dont see why not use it. but if the people say hey get off, then you should have the common sense to say okay, and just get off.

if you did get stopped though, i mean really who teh hell has a computer inside tehir car besides you and the cop? you can easily just tell him that you get some sort of satellite internet or something.

another way to think of things... they sell those wifi locator things... is that legal? and hmm.. what exactly would people do when they found a site using the locator? well duh, use their computer to connect. that cant be any worse....

Correct.

Kismet, Kismac will still see them.

Those are on unliscensed frenquencies. Anybody can talk on them.

Most of the cops I know, know better.

The origional idea behind these things was for people in airports to see if there was wifi available. Was waay easier to use one of the little fob things than break out the laptop only to find nothing.

You're still connecting to a network without the owner's permission. This is a no no in all 50 states. Just because you can see it doesn't mean you can use it. Just because I can see your wife/girlfriend doesn't mean I can use her.

turbocad6 · 07-11-2006, 12:31 AM

ok, I got a question... wardriving is so last year anyway... doesn't almost everyone have a mobile connection by now?

anyway, my question.... I have a verizon aircard in my car, & it's installed in a kyocerra kr1 wireless router... when my car is running it's it's own mobile hotspot.... I have no security on the kr1.... so now here comes the question....

if I'm sitting at a light, or parked on the corner, & some guy in his house notices my connection & connects, what would that be called? I mean it would suck if I sat outside the supermarket for 15 minutes waiting for my wife to come out, & some malicious hacker happened to get into my network & like lock my frontend so it only plays pat boone.... or johnny mathis....

hmmmm.........

miztahsparklez · 07-11-2006, 12:40 AM

i do also have a bluetooth connection to my phone for DUN.. so i sorta do have a connection anywhere i go.

as for turbocad... lol but it would be your own fault for putting those songs on your pc in the first place

turbocad6 · 07-11-2006, 12:44 AM

hey, once in a while... "chances aaaaaare...." might be apropriate

miztahsparklez · 07-11-2006, 01:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

hey, once in a while... "chances aaaaaare...." might be apropriate

perhaps =) but im more of a slow r&b type person myself. i used to listen to johnny mathis when i was way younger.. like toddler age.. lol couldnt help what the parents put on..

BarryWoods · 07-11-2006, 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

ok, I got a question... wardriving is so last year anyway... doesn't almost everyone have a mobile connection by now?

anyway, my question.... I have a verizon aircard in my car, & it's installed in a kyocerra kr1 wireless router... when my car is running it's it's own mobile hotspot.... I have no security on the kr1.... so now here comes the question....

if I'm sitting at a light, or parked on the corner, & some guy in his house notices my connection & connects, what would that be called? I mean it would suck if I sat outside the supermarket for 15 minutes waiting for my wife to come out, & some malicious hacker happened to get into my network & like lock my frontend so it only plays pat boone.... or johnny mathis....

hmmmm.........

See that's funny! Might think about some type of encryption. Even 64bit would help. It takes time to crack a 64bit wep key. Not as much as 128, but I don't see you sitting still that long. On a side note, my dad is retireing at the end of the next school year. He already has an aircard. How hard/easy was it to set up your kr1? They are going to be doing quite a bit of RV'ing and I thought that would be a better setup than having to share the card between his and my mom's laptop. It's either that or waiting till they come up here to visit next summer and building them a file server with an older mac laptop and networking the Rv.

turbocad6 · 07-11-2006, 12:35 PM

just trying to lighten things up around here

the kr1 is an amazing piece... it's prety much a linux box that boots & connects, then maintains & redials if dropped... configuring it was a piece of cake.... I would highly recomend it to anyone who wants to share a wireless connection.... easier than trying to set your own up for sure... & for the $250 or so, it's a great out-of-the-box solution...

BarryWoods · 07-11-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

just trying to lighten things up around here

the kr1 is an amazing piece... it's prety much a linux box that boots & connects, then maintains & redials if dropped... configuring it was a piece of cake.... I would highly recomend it to anyone who wants to share a wireless connection.... easier than trying to set your own up for sure... & for the $250 or so, it's a great out-of-the-box solution...

That's cool. Too bad no one up here supports cf evdo cards. Would be nice to have an always on connection on my Zaurus.

BarryWoods · 07-11-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6

hey, once in a while... "chances aaaaaare...." might be apropriate

Actually if I was going to be a dick and actually do that to someone, they'd only get to listen to Celine Dion. Would probably be the only time you actually saw someone purposely light their car on fire.

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