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tkd_guy90 · 12-28-2007, 09:49 PM

ahh well I found an article somewhere that the phone can be used as a modem even with the data plan not active. I tried that and it worked for me. Now I downloaded Mologogo and put it on the phone. When I went to run it, it wouldn't work. I get the error message of "VM Class Loading Error"

Also how do I get DEN service? I have it setup to dial out on my computer using (i think) iden? not for sure, Im a newb at this stuff.

Bugbyte · 12-29-2007, 11:47 AM

Here

tkd_guy90 · 12-29-2007, 02:09 PM

Thank you, I will try and see if I can get it to work.

VettePC · 01-04-2008, 04:06 PM

Without reading for another hour... can I get an update on the overall bottom line on these phones...

1. Does the I415 (which I have and use with Nextel Dashboard) support WiDEN?
2. Does the I450 (is this avail still or is it replaced by the I455) support WiDEN?
3. What are the download speeds no WiDEN VS WiDEN?
4. What is the best way to connect these phones/software. (I use Nextel Dashboard)
5. What needs to be done in RR - DFX skin to handle traffic cams hanging up?

Thanks

dequeued · 01-09-2008, 10:45 PM

Thanks for making this very informative thread.
I am going to get a boost mobile phone just for data now.

I am a J2ME programmer, I make Java phone applets, called midlets.

If a midlet can run while the phone is connected to the internet, then I am reasonably sure that the phone is acting as a bridge and forwarding packets to the internet from the host computer.
If that is the case, I may be able to write a midlet (or just modify mologogo) that sends data directly to the host computer over tcpip.

Also, I thought someone wrote that it is possible to use a cable to directly access the gps functionality of the i450, but that you couldn't connect to the internet while that is happening.
Is there a seperate serial port for accessing the gps?

When I get my phone I will report more...

Bugbyte · 01-10-2008, 12:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

Thanks for making this very informative thread.
I am going to get a boost mobile phone just for data now.

I am a J2ME programmer, I make Java phone applets, called midlets.

If a midlet can run while the phone is connected to the internet, then I am reasonably sure that the phone is acting as a bridge and forwarding packets to the internet from the host computer.
If that is the case, I may be able to write a midlet (or just modify mologogo) that sends data directly to the host computer over tcpip.

Also, I thought someone wrote that it is possible to use a cable to directly access the gps functionality of the i450, but that you couldn't connect to the internet while that is happening.
Is there a seperate serial port for accessing the gps?

When I get my phone I will report more...

Mologogo is a Java app. It will run simultaneously with connected access to the net. I run mologogo for tracking while using the cable and phone to access the net.

The serial port access is via the same cable connection that the USB uses, I believe. Thus, you cannot access the GPS in serial mode while using the USB cable. At least as far as I understand it.

VettePC · 01-10-2008, 12:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

I am a J2ME programmer, I make Java phone applets, called midlets.

If a midlet can run while the phone is connected to the internet, then I am reasonably sure that the phone is acting as a bridge and forwarding packets to the internet from the host computer.
If that is the case, I may be able to write a midlet (or just modify mologogo) that sends data directly to the host computer over tcpip.

I have written a J2ME app for my MOTO phone to send GPS data, (among other bits of info from the phone) to my server.

"Modify mologogo"... uh, good luck on that one! They arent going to provide you with source code... don't think!

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? "forwarding packets to the internet from the host computer." Host computer meaning carPC?

dequeued · 01-10-2008, 01:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by VettePC

I have written a J2ME app for my MOTO phone to send GPS data, (among other bits of info from the phone) to my server.

"Modify mologogo"... uh, good luck on that one! They arent going to provide you with source code... don't think!

Oh, I thought that mologogo was an open source app, nevermind about modifying it.

If you mentioned the program you wrote in this thread I must have missed it...
May I have a link to it?

Quote:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? "forwarding packets to the internet from the host computer." Host computer meaning carPC?

I just thought it was inelegant to have a program on your phone posting your gps data to an external server, when you would probably want to access it on your carpc.

It would simplify and probably speed things up if the phone could send data right to the car pc.

If both the phone and the carpc have access to the internet, I am assuming that the phone is acting as a bridge, in that both the phone and the carpc would have the same ip address, since I doubt the phone is doing routing.
If that is the case, it maybe be possible to communicate with the carpc directly from the phone.

Bugbyte · 01-10-2008, 09:25 AM

I agree it is inelegant. I now have two GPS devices in my car. One is the phone's GPS, which is used to send my position to the web server. The other is dedicated GPS for the car PC. Obviously, it works fine but is wasteful. It would save the cost of a GPS unit to use the phone's built in receiver (although I'm not sure how good it is, seems to be a little slow to lock unless the view is unobstructed).

VettePC · 01-10-2008, 08:36 PM

Hi guys

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

Oh, I thought that mologogo was an open source app, nevermind about modifying it..

The MIDP Java for the Motorola phone isnt open source, however they do offer the PHP example code for uploading the GPS data from the Mologogo MIDP app to your own web site or server. I think this is what Bugbyte is doing.

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

If you mentioned the program you wrote in this thread I must have missed it...
May I have a link to it?

I have never mentioned what I am working on until the last post here. This project started quite a while ago. After starting on a new carPC I have thought of many ways to incorporate this into my carpc project.

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

I just thought it was inelegant to have a program on your phone posting your gps data to an external server, when you would probably want to access it on your carpc.

Thats exactly where I DO want the data from my phone. The GPS data from the MOTO phone is to track my car... What if it's stolen?

Quote: Originally Posted by Bugbyte

I agree it is inelegant. I now have two GPS devices in my car. One is the phone's GPS, which is used to send my position to the web server. The other is dedicated GPS for the car PC. Obviously, it works fine but is wasteful. It would save the cost of a GPS unit to use the phone's built in receiver (although I'm not sure how good it is, seems to be a little slow to lock unless the view is unobstructed).

The GPS chip in the MOTO phone is not real accurate. Yes, its ok ,if you are in wide open areas, and its not bad weather... I would not depend on this to provide GPS data for your carPC NAV app. I have a Glogal Stat receiver with WAAS that is awesome... cost was around $45.00 -- Its the latest SirfIII chip, and I am very impressed so far.

Dequeued : How much experience do you have with MIDP Java programming.. if I may ask?

dequeued · 01-11-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by VettePC

Hi guys

The MIDP Java for the Motorola phone isnt open source, however they do offer the PHP example code for uploading the GPS data from the Mologogo MIDP app to your own web site or server. I think this is what Bugbyte is doing.

That is a good solution too, I think.

Quote:

I have never mentioned what I am working on until the last post here. This project started quite a while ago. After starting on a new carPC I have thought of many ways to incorporate this into my carpc project.

Thats exactly where I DO want the data from my phone. The GPS data from the MOTO phone is to track my car... What if it's stolen?

Yeah that's true.
Something just ticked me about having the phone send your nav data over the internet connection, and then having your computer then fetch it over the internet again so you can see it.
Especially if bandwidth is constrained.

Quote:

The GPS chip in the MOTO phone is not real accurate. Yes, its ok ,if you are in wide open areas, and its not bad weather... I would not depend on this to provide GPS data for your carPC NAV app. I have a Glogal Stat receiver with WAAS that is awesome... cost was around $45.00 -- Its the latest SirfIII chip, and I am very impressed so far.

Dequeued : How much experience do you have with MIDP Java programming.. if I may ask?

Not too much experience actually.
I good with Java, and I got into j2me about six months ago mostly as a hobby, but I think I really "get it".
The only big program I made is a tetris game, that fully implements doublebuffering and works on my treo pretty well.

But if the gps data comes from a serial input, I can't imagine it being that hard to decode, and send over the internet.
Even the stripped down Java runtime that j2me uses gives you access to powerful parsing and socket libraries.

VettePC · 01-12-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

Something just ticked me about having the phone send your nav data over the internet connection, and then having your computer then fetch it over the internet again so you can see it.
Especially if bandwidth is constrained.

Not sure I know why you are doing that, or just assume thats how it works? I use my MOTO phone for INET connection while driving/using the car, then the phone gets turned off, UNTIL it is instructed to turn on by a Micro-computer chip based hardware device I have hooked to the phone. It then calls me, and initiates the GPS tracking Java app I wrote - sending data to my server (actually 2 servers)
Then for the Iguidance GPS NAV program I have a great little GPS receiver hooked into the car PC via USB that goes directly to Iguidance. Actually it gets split off into two COM ports , one for Iguidance , and one for the GPS dat for RoadRunner.

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

Not too much experience actually.
I good with Java, and I got into j2me about six months ago mostly as a hobby, but I think I really "get it".
The only big program I made is a tetris game, that fully implements doublebuffering and works on my treo pretty well.

Cool. Sounds like you are getting a good grip on JAVA. I found it very difficult to learn , at least compared to the other languages I have learned.

Quote: Originally Posted by dequeued

But if the gps data comes from a serial input, I can't imagine it being that hard to decode, and send over the internet.
Even the stripped down Java runtime that j2me uses gives you access to powerful parsing and socket libraries.

Yes, I would really like to be able to hook the GPS receiver I have to a cell phone with JAVA and use the data as I do now. Only because The external receiver I have has WAAS and is WAY more accurate than the MOTO phone internal GPS.

Bugbyte · 01-14-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by VettePC

The MIDP Java for the Motorola phone isnt open source, however they do offer the PHP example code for uploading the GPS data from the Mologogo MIDP app to your own web site or server. I think this is what Bugbyte is doing.

Right. I use a feature of Mologogo's server that redirects the data to my site and a php script puts the data in a table on my site.

VettePC · 01-15-2008, 09:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bugbyte

Right. I use a feature of Mologogo's server that redirects the data to my site and a php script puts the data in a table on my site.

I dont know of a "redirect" on the Mologogo server? Only thing I have seen is the "Alt Url" that is set in the phones mologogo Java application. It not only sends the GPS data to Mologogo's server, but optionally, if set, will send to the PHP page you set in ALT URL.

Personally, I want control over ALL of my functions, thats why I wrote my own Java app to do that.

I may make it public in the future.

Bugbyte · 01-15-2008, 10:46 PM

That's what I meant. The alt-URL feature.

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