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    nLite XP ? and performance

    I been reading up on nLite in this forum and here: http://nuhi.msfn.org/
    and here: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=89.

    A few questions:

    I already slipstreamed sp2 into my XP cd on my own and installed the OS already. Now I read all the great stuff about nLite (and minlogon... and EWF)

    So, can you nLite(remove unwanted files) on an already installed version of XP or do I need to create the nLited CD first and then do a fresh install of the nLited OS?

    What should my expectations of size of reduced version be? I've read some claim to fit on a 512mb or 1GB CF card. Is this the norm or the exception?

    Will will nLite increase overall performance or just bootup/shutdown and suspend/resume times?

    Same question with regard to nLite and a CF card. Will using a CF card improve only boot times or overall performance as well?

    Thanks.

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    I have all the same questions

    So do I have to reinstall windows or can I just remove components?
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    nLite creates a customized install CD for you to use. I've gotten installations down to 220MB's. It all depends on what you need. If you need .NET Framework, IE, Media Player, etc. then it'll be bigger than if you don't need any of that stuff. Choose a front end and then make an install based off that. It'll speed up boot time (fewer stuff needs to get loaded up) and possibly regular operating performance (takes up less memory and fewer background processes).

    A fast enough CF card could potentially speed up boot time. IntellaWorks says he's gotten a 15 second boot up time using a SanDisk ExtremeIII. I've gotten 18 seconds on my ExtremeIII. Overall performance will not increase from using a CF card. Using a CF card is more for space considerations or stability (no moving parts).

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    Yes nlite will definatly increase performance AND your stress level at the same time and both for free !!!


    To further was sForioto was talking about, nLite will need to be burned to a CD. nLite creates an .ISO, use this link to downloaded a GREAT iso burning software package that is VERY VERY simple to use. Once it's installed, simply right click on the .ISO created by nLite and click "copy image to cd". http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

    Don't be fooled with nLite however, making a configuration that really works iis VERY diffacult. You see, if you forget some component by "leaving it checked" in nLite and create an ISO, the install will go normally every will run. But now say you wanted install Frodoplayer, the install stops halfway and gives you some weird error. You may think its frodoplayer, when it fact is your OS thats missing a vital component that enables the frodo install to continue.

    Or better yet, the install goes fine but the app still wont run, garunteed its nLite or Minlogon.

    nLite truely chops windows down and really increases the performance. But you must be prepared because what nLite is chopping may be vital to your setup and will cause you HOURS of stress trying to figure out where you went wrong.

    To save EVERYONE some time I've posted a very safe configuration from nLite's settings.ini. Basically copy and paste this to nLites setting.ini once you've slipstreamed sp2 on winxp.

    This will create an OS that is 150MB and about 340 after install. SForioto and others have trimmed even more fat and got OS's around 220-260MB but again these guys are truely talented at what they do and they have great patients because trimming down an OS after an install is VERY tricky and may cause your system to become unstable.

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    Depends how far you go really re: space taken up. I'm at my maximum 'trimmed' down which allows the Front End, GPS, Dial-up, Wireless Networking and Web Browsing, my O/S footprint is now 190Meg with the Widcomm stuff, once my board detects the Bluetooth dongle I think I'll be able to trim a further 6Meg or so off it as Widcomm comes with a stack of drivers.

    You may think - what does 6Meg matter - I'm hoping to fit it all on a CF card so getting everything as small and as 'light' as possible.

    The trimming was all done using nLite, which gave me an installation of 320Meg with SP2 Slipstreamed then I manually remove components/stripped the install. I'll post a write up soon as to what is safe to remove.

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    So, can you nLite(remove unwanted files) on an already installed version of XP or do I need to create the nLited CD first and then do a fresh install of the nLited OS?
    ::As answered by others, it is intended to create customized Windows instalation media. If you are looking for tool that will remove components from your installed WinXP, look around for XPLite (commercial) or follow this guide: http://hollow-refuge.net/Bold/viewtopic.php?t=229

    What should my expectations of size of reduced version be? I've read some claim to fit on a 512mb or 1GB CF card. Is this the norm or the exception?
    ::It can trim your inśtall down to 178 MB (depending on what features you keep and what Windows vesion you decide to go with).

    Will will nLite increase overall performance or just bootup/shutdown and suspend/resume times?
    :: It will increase overall performance (depending on what you remove there will be less tasks and processes running on your background), it will decrease your cold boot times (same reason), still it will _not_ affect stand-by or hibernation times.

    Same question with regard to nLite and a CF card. Will using a CF card improve only boot times or overall performance as well?
    :: this trully depends on your SW configuration. Generally, using CF card will not speed your system, unless you combine it with EWF and minlogon (but again performance gain will not be caused by CF). This is because CF cards has virtually 0 seek times (HDD around 8- 12 ms), but much worse data transfer rates of about 4 MB/s (HDD upto 45 MB/s) If you use specific CF cards, such as SanDisk Extreme III, you can eliminate this difference though. The reason everyone is looking for CF is much higher reliability of CF in automotive area comparing to HDDs. This has been covered a lot in forums,

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    I used nlite + midlogon and before this I saw boot times of 30 - 35 secs after I installed both of these things !

    18 - 20 sec range

    Hibernate< 10secs!

    so my next step is to use EWF and HORM to make my drive stay in a looped hibernate mode.

    So then I will acieve a READ only OS on booting in less the 10 secs with post all on a hard drive
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    I have a BlaXtream TC1000 256 ram...1ghz cpu 40gb ..and i use a usb creative audigy 2nx ..but when i use eax ..the cpu goes to 100% and i can;t listen to mp3 or any videos because the sound is choppy and the videos are playing 1frames per sec
    My question is : if i install nlite xp ...will i be able to listen to music? will my sound card consume much cpu? i don't know what to do ..help

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    You have no idea what nLite is or what it's used for, it appears.

    Whether or not you lose functionality is all dependent on what services you remove from the installation.
    It's very possible to use nLite to remove services and functionality that would prevent audio playback, for example.
    As a general rule... If you don't know what it is and what it does, you probably shouldn't remove it.

    Honestly, I don't think this is worth resurrecting a 3.5 year old thread. A simple Google search would yield some more detailed information about nLite and what it can do for you.
    I don't think that using nLite to create a stripped-out version of Windoze that will yield any significant performance results on your old hardware.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    You have no idea what nLite is or what it's used for, it appears.

    Whether or not you lose functionality is all dependent on what services you remove from the installation.
    It's very possible to use nLite to remove services and functionality that would prevent audio playback, for example.
    As a general rule... If you don't know what it is and what it does, you probably shouldn't remove it.

    Honestly, I don't think this is worth resurrecting a 3.5 year old thread. A simple Google search would yield some more detailed information about nLite and what it can do for you.
    I don't think that using nLite to create a stripped-out version of Windoze that will yield any significant performance results on your old hardware.
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