Page 2 of 10 FirstFirst 12345678910 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 97

Thread: Easiest way to connect to random wifi network?

  1. #11
    Raw Wave wizardPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Nashville
    Posts
    2,635
    Quote Originally Posted by vajimbo
    I heard a good program the other day and the shot story was. If the AP is totaly open how would you or anyone know if it was private or a free/open AP. This is the same general reason we have doors and locks.
    so...you're saying that if I'm stupid and I leave my doors unlocked and someone walks into my house, it isnt trespassing?

    Gizmo: That's fine that you don't mind if other people use your wifi without permission. It's yours to do with what you will. The fact is though that probably 75% of residences with wifi have NO IDEA that others can use their stuff. You can't know (unless the AP has the proper naming conventions) if the owner of a random AP cares if you use it or not.

    You might even get someone like me who has a wide open AP in an apartment complex just so I can read the traffic going across my network. If they happen to send sensitive information across a network that I own, I can use that information however I see fit (note: I do not capture passwords to online accounts of any type)

    Am I being shady? Probably. Is what I do illegal? Nope.
    Debt as of 1/1/05: $34,354.48
    Debt as of July 4, 2007: $0.00 explanation
    I'M DEBT FREE!!
    I'm now a reasonably successful gunblogger.

  2. #12
    Newbie vajimbo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Hampton VA
    Posts
    14
    so...you're saying that if I'm stupid and I leave my doors unlocked and someone walks into my house, it isnt trespassing?
    No I did not say that. You seem to want a fight about this, sorry I will not give it to you. If you have any basics in Law then you know the basic test of "is it reasonable" and the attorney that was on the radio show I referred to was pointing that out. So if you don't like the answer then go to an attorney and fight with one of them.

  3. #13
    Well, He asked for it. WebDog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA (West LA)
    Posts
    1,636
    i thught i heard somewhere that the FCC has it writen that if you dont secure it (WEP) that anyone can legaly connect to it.
    1990 Jeep Cherokee
    2000 VW Golf TDI 4dr
    2005 VW GTI MKIV - SOLD

  4. #14
    Raw Wave wizardPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Nashville
    Posts
    2,635
    Quote Originally Posted by Special Agent Bill Shore, FBI
    Identifying the presence of a wireless network may not be a
    criminal violation, however, there may be criminal violations if the
    network is actually accessed including theft of services, interception
    of communications, misuse of computing resources, up to and including
    violations of the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Statute, Theft of
    Trade Secrets, and other federal violations.
    Read the whole letter here. You may be right about the whole reasonableness thing, but that's not what the Feds think.
    Debt as of 1/1/05: $34,354.48
    Debt as of July 4, 2007: $0.00 explanation
    I'M DEBT FREE!!
    I'm now a reasonably successful gunblogger.

  5. #15
    Constant Bitrate
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    So. Cal.
    Posts
    183
    it's best that you leave your wifi open, then when the RIAA comes knocking, you can always say "damn wardrivers" or something like that.

  6. #16
    Variable Bitrate
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    284
    the people that dont lock thier APs wouldnt even know that you "stoled thier internets" for a couple minutes to check email or a website. Boo hoo

  7. #17
    Maximum Bitrate Vchat20's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Warren, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    612
    i was thinking the same thing dexter. those who leave their AP's open wouldn't know enough to even know someone else was using their connection let alone track them down. those who have theirs locked down, well, you cant get access anyhow without some hacking involved, which is just a worthless cause for most carputer users here.
    Your everyday carpc geek and tech guru at your service. *bow*

  8. #18
    Raw Wave god_of_cpu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    SilverSpring Maryland
    Posts
    2,960
    I think wifi access is just like tresspassing laws. i.e. a person doesn't have a right to walk on someone else's lawn, but they can only be prosecuted for the offense if you post a no-tresspassing sign or otherwise secure in a way that is clear and concise to the tresspasser that they are in fact walking on private property against the owners will.

    And if the RIAA or someone else comes knocking on your door cause illegal activity was conducted using your equipment, the burden of proof will be on you to both show that you did not do the illegal activity and that you took reasonable precautions to prevent other people from committing illegal activities with your equipment. This is just how the parents of children who used computer for illegal file sharing were procescuted.
    StreetDeck.com Developer (I am Chuck)
    Get StreetDeck at http://www.streetdeck.com
    The Official StreetDeck Forums have moved, please visit us at http://www.streetdeck.com/forum for official support for Streetdeck.

  9. #19
    Variable Bitrate
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    284
    Heh, i download all my warez through unsecured WiFI. I sit outside peoples houses for weeks at time!

  10. #20
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    36
    Connecting to an unsecured WIFI access point is quite different from walking through somebody's unlocked door.

    Connecting (and using) an unsecured WiFi access point is like picking up a kitten under the "Free Kittens" sign. Theft? Who's losing? Certainly not the owner of the AP, because just about everybody (in the US anyway) has flat-rate internet, whether dialup or broadband. At this point, it's a matter of etiquette to be nice, not hog the connection, and not f**k up the AP. So be nice, brothers and sisters.

    Now, connecting to *computers* that are hanging off an open WiFi point...that's problematic. That's where theft and trespassing comes in. That IS like peering through somebody's windows, and walking through the proverbial unlocked door.

    That sucker in Chicago that was busted for viewing kiddie porn -- he was busted for viewing kiddie porn, not jacking into a WiFi hotspot, if I remember correctly.

    I think it might come down to who has a better lawyer. So don't get caught, duuuh.

    I personally run an open AP, but I live in the country down a 1/4 mile driveway surrounded by trees, so there ain't nobody connectin' to me, wit there new-fangled laptops an' computerrs an thangs.

    Just my $0.02.

    Christopher Jastram
    http://www.livingresource.net/
    cej102937

Similar Threads

  1. does NetStumbler actually CONNECT to access points?
    By Grayscale in forum Wireless Communications
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: 06-29-2005, 05:27 PM
  2. Random...Little too Random
    By Prindle19 in forum Centrafuse
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-17-2005, 05:30 PM
  3. Power line homeplug wifi 802.11b access point network
    By Jammer in forum Wireless Communications
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-16-2005, 04:23 PM
  4. External WiFi Receiver w/ Ethernet Port?
    By VanMan69 in forum Wireless Communications
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-18-2004, 11:31 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •