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    Arathranar,

    Thank you for holding a discussion about this topic. :-) Your side and views are definitely welcomed. Chairboy's started out out as flamebait, not discussion.

    Getting back on topic, it looks like some of the states are being sane and following the EFF recommendation of neglicant APs being free game. I think Nevada and California have stuff, but I cannot find the links anymore.

    After re-reading my Comcast TOS, i found a perfect example about them getting law enforcement involved:
    6. Representations and Warranties of Customer. You represent and warrant that:...
    G. Theft of Service: You will not connect the Service or any Comcast Equipment to more computers, either on or outside of the Premises, than are reflected in your account with us. You acknowledge that any unauthorized receipt of the Service constitutes theft of service, which is a violation of federal law and can result in both civil and criminal penalties. In addition, if the violations are willful and for commercial advantage or private financial gain, the penalties may be increased.

    Source: http://www.comcast.net/terms/subscriber.jsp
    In terms of the definition of a "computer", as defined by the US Feds in 18 U.S.C. 1030. as the following:
    the term "computer" means an electronic, magnetic, optical, electrochemical, or other high speed data processing device performing logical, arithmetic, or storage functions, and includes any data storage facility or communications facility directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device, but such term does not include an automated typewriter or typesetter, a portable hand held calculator, or other similar device;
    Since an AP communicates to computers (assuming the arguement that an AP is not a computer) electronically using logical, arithmetic, and storage functions, under this definition by the feds its considered a "computer".

    However, I ran into this that list the dangers of possibly how you can be prosecuted with existing laws:

    Quote Originally Posted by http://cfp2004.org/blogs/wardriving/archives/000056.html
    (1) Computer Fraud and Abuse Act -- You'd probably be violating this law if you accessed files on another computer on a wireless network. Section 1030 of the criminal code forbids intentionally accessing a computer without authorization, along with other variants of this activity. Kevin mentioned a case in Michigan where someone used the open wireless network in a Loews store to pull customers' credit card numbers off the system. Of course, you could argue that a network with open access points constitutes implicit authorization, but this argument probably wouldn't fly in a case of stolen credit card files.
    (2) Electronic Communications Protection Act -- ECPA prohibits, among other things, alteration of any communications on an ISP network without authorized access.
    (3) Wiretap Act -- The proscriptions of the Wiretap Act include interception of communications as they're going through the air. You're probably not in violation if you intercept unencrypted wifi communications.
    (4) DMCA -- It's possible you could violate the DMCA if you ended up circumventing some technological IP protection in your use of the wireless network.
    (6) Theft of services -- A theft charge is also possible, but again, this is unlikely because of the difficulty of enforcement. In Toronto, a theft of services charge was brought against someone for invading a wireless network--someone who happened also to be breaking traffic laws and downloading child porn at the same time.
    (7) Trespass -- This charge is most apt to arise if the activity interferes with the quality of service.
    (8) Unjust enrichment -- This is another charge that could potentially be brought.
    (9) Various state laws might also apply.
    Like everyone, i wish they would just clarify for all of us how it is. It looks like the Feds are waiting for the States to set the presidence on this one.
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    None of sections 1 to 7 in Section 1030 seem to cover war driving since all require some kind of unauthorized access to read data from a protected computer or alter the data somehow.
    the term "computer" means an electronic, magnetic, optical, electrochemical, or other high speed data processing device performing logical, arithmetic, or storage functions, and includes any data storage facility or communications facility directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device, but such term does not include an automated typewriter or typesetter, a portable hand held calculator, or other similar device;
    Depending on the meaning of directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device the above may not cover an AP. But since you'll never access data on the "computer", it my not matter.
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    Agreed. It all really depends on how the judge/prosecutor sees it in relation to Section 1030. But the prosecution has the whole slew of laws they could try to make presidence with.

    I know it will not be me at least they will try it on:-)
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    Just to clarify, Kandyman, you are now agreeing with what I have been telling you. Welcome!
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    Actually, to clarify, I was agreeing about "Depending on the meaning of directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device the above may not cover an AP."
    Based on the feds description of a computer, I strongly believe an AP would classify as one. This is where I disagree with yourself and Arathranar.

    Legally in court, it would all hinge how savy the judge/prosecutors are. That is a risk I am not willing to gamble legally or ethically and just avoid the whole mess.
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    Cool hmm

    I normally don't post, and I usually skim past most debates. I might interject some help with a system setup or some programming every now and again, but I wanted to say one thing. In regards to the do's/dont's of hot spots. Think about this. Your IP address is used to trace back to a machine, that inturn can get your mac address, this being the hardcoded id for your nic. If you are conenction to a WIFI, and only for short shots., then it would be very difficult to track you down. When you disconnect or venture out of range, then you're gone. poof! The only thing left is a log showing your short stay and what you did. Along with some of your ID information. So what would an admin do with this, comming off a WIFI network? I think they would be more concerned with the K/B size of the log, then the tiny footprint you left behind. Cause they cant really do much. I mean, sheez, they would have to first locate that machine, and I think the last place they would look is in my dash, or console, that being if they even knew who I was. So the likely hood of getting into trouble is so slim!! To actually nail someone, you gotta have some more equipment than what 95% of networks have. and if they have the fancy smancy stuff, their ap are going to be on lockdown, and if you get in, then you might find some issues. Gov Networks, yes they are fancy shancy, log into one, and they might have a bit more info on you than just some trace route Network traffic Id info. SOOOOooo... With your computer running around all over town connecting to tiny networks, expect little in terms of a hiway roadblock with a fed agent pinting a gun and a flashlight at you saying "Disable the car PC, do it, do it now!!!" And getting that suprise court aperance in the mail stating that you have to answer to blah blah blah...is going to take some reaserch on the accusing side....wait getting legal...ill end here.
    ohh...and I just wanted to see my stats. Have a good one fellas.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sounder
    Your IP address is used to trace back to a machine, that inturn can get your mac address, this being the hardcoded id for your nic.
    Macshift in the startup folder takes care of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Zack
    Macshift in the startup folder takes care of that.

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    alright now we're getting somewhere...
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    Not really. I still can't get my Car PC to connect to an unprotected wireless networks automatically. I've tried WinC. I've tried the software that came with my wireless NIC. I've tried XP itself. They all fail to connect automatically.
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    Way to **** up a good thread.


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