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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickertsen2
    Thats cheating Only works on weak keys. Not only that, its using a rainbow table. Thats a vulerability in poor user chosen passphrases and they way they are hashed, not WPA. That sort of attack can be used anywhere a text password is hashed into a key, which is exactly the reason i don't use that method. The fact is, most people choose weak passwords so this attack is effective in many cases, but is easily preventable by using a random hex key instead of that sissy text password hashing crap.

    How's it cheating?? How many people do you know that actually use a 28 random character password??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryWoods
    Where the hell do you get your information???

    Wardriving (War Driving) - The hobby of searching out and mapping 802.11b wireless networks. Also known as Warwalking, and War-riding, depending on the conveyance used. Originally coined by Peter Shipley of Dis.org


    You're talking about warchalking, which is a myth. No one warchalks, unless they are dumbasses. What would be the point??

    that particular information came from my head... I've read it places & heard it others.....numerous times from numerous sources...remember the first time I saw symbols like this in the village in nyc.... remember someone telling me about that back then too.... my thought process tells me this was true....I even remember reading articles about this with pictures & everything

    I'm pretty sure if I bothered to google & paste I could find a bunch of supporting info. but I really don't care enough to...

    of course no one is warchalking now adays, but a myth???? I don't think so... who knows... maybe... if you say so.... guess it could be.... I still don't think so though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryWoods
    How's it cheating?? How many people do you know that actually use a 28 random character password??
    I will give you that it works on a scary percentage of networks, but not me. I don't use the functionality of converting a text password into a hex key at all. All i am saying is that it is NOT a flaw of WPA itself but rather how most people enter their encryption key. That program exploits a vulnerability of passwords period rather than WPA.

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    You want to see something really cool? Go to www.wigle.net and click on the webmaps link. Ahhh, screw it, click this link.
    This is filtering just "linksys". It still amazes me that people just plug it in and use it. That's probably why they come from the factory with no encryption set. Think of all the calls they'd be getting because no one could connect to their own network. Oh, if anyone was wandering, my network is there too. Scroll up to Alaska, the blob in the middle is Fairbanks, I'm just a bit to the south east of there. It's not linksys....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiredwrx
    I was posting opinion, based on the law. I am certainly no legal expert, but I do know that absent a law, there is no law to be broken. It has been said several times in the thread (not just by you) that it is illegal, and yet no one has been able to find a law that makes it illegal. It's like me saying "sneezing is illegal" With out a law, or seeing the law, I can say it is most definitely NOT illegal. Perhaps it should be illegal, since it spreads germs. Perhaps one day it MIGHT be illegal, but right now it is not.

    Same thing, perhaps it should be illegal, perhaps it will be illegal in the future, but it is currecntly NOT ILLEGAL. If you want to not do soemthing for other then legal reasons, by all means, no one can fault you. But, that is not the same as it being illegal.

    Michael
    to expand on this...

    Negative liberty vs positive liberty (Isaiah Berlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Berlin)... or more simply "freedom from" vs "freedom to". Two different, but both valid, ideals of liberty. Generally the US works with the ideal of negative liberty embodied in the constitution. All rights not reservered to the federal government or the states belongs to the people. If there isn't explicitly a law forbiding it... making it illegal... then is it legal.

    Speeding is illegal. There is a law.

    Driving through a yellow light isn't illegal. Red is illegal. Yellow means "prepare to stop", not "stop". Racing to catch a yellow light isn't technically illegal, but a cop is likely going to catch you with reckless driving.... or speeding too if you exceeded the speed limit.

    Picking up a dollar... fifty dollars that are left sitting on the road isn't illegal. Who is in POSSESSION of it? How do we know who "owns" it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryWoods
    You know, we could keep arguing this crap till the sun explodes. I'm done. You guys just keep doing what your conscious will let you.

    Well...that didn't last long.
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    WiFi Cellphones are coming out then it should get interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by -zip-
    WiFi Cellphones are coming out then it should get interesting
    They are here, they are just a niche market and expensive. Watch the systm video on asterisk for a demo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiredwrx
    You don't understand how the courts and lawsuites work. It's O.K., there is a whole semester in lawschool specifically that teaches you Remedies, what one is entitled to, can win, for each type of cause of action. You can't just sue for whatever you want.

    Even if it were some sort of cause of action, say theft/larceny, the only thing one is entitled to is actual damages. Since the actual damages are the amountof electricity, and the cost of the bandwidth, that is all he is entitled to, plus court costs. Not lawyers fees, and not preparation costs, just COURT COSTS.

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    I have only taken some intro law classes and I did say tack on court fees, you don't need a lawyer for small claims hence why I didn't say lawyer cost. Oh and the 5 grand I mentioned was in response to another post in which 5 grand was tossed out. Small claims only costs a couple hundered bucks.

    Thread that shows the small costs in going to small claims:
    http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/...msg=198041.201

    Now this all very silly as there aren't laws dealing WiFi "theft", but just showing how he could recoup some of the "costs".....why am I typing this out to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PURDooM
    They are here, they are just a niche market and expensive. Watch the systm video on asterisk for a demo.
    Yep they were out in 2004 but failed to catch on.
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