The legalities of wardriving.

**BarryWoods** · 06-26-2006, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Wiredwrx

Have you ever heard of anyone being convicted, or even prosecuted under that law for connecting? I tend to think that law is more of an anti hacking statute. Leave the host system/computer alone and you will be fine, even if you are surfing the web, checking e-mail, whatever. Also, do you know where in the statute they define the various terms such as computer system, network etc...

As for the AK law, that is a lot of stuff to dissect, and I have little time. But again, I ask the same questions, any convictions, prosecution? I tend to think it is an ANTI HACKING statute, that would not be applied to taking some bandwisth.

Michael

A network is a network. It doesn't matter if it's copper, glass, or microwaves. You're still connecting to a network, even to "just surf the net".

http://rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...103230036/1011
http://management.silicon.com/govern...9150672,00.htm
http://www.cybercrimelaw.org/blog/28...r%20fined.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060323-6447.html
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122153,00.asp

**Silentbob343** · 06-26-2006, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Wiredwrx

Being arrested and prosecuted are VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. On top of that, he was arrested for theft of services, which is not along the lines of the statutes previously quoted.

There is a reason why "The sheriff's office and prosecutors are now reviewing the case." Cause this probably isn't theft of services (can you steal something that is free), and there are no other laws that he broke.

I can almost assure you he won't bve tried or convicted for the theft of services.

Michael

I was already aware of those points when I posted the link, but still it's food for thought. The more instances of this, the closer we come to having laws that regulate such activity. I like the caps, they really do help drive the point home.

**CoyoteBoy** · 06-27-2006, 01:58 PM

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, dont have time to go through 9 pages, but in the UK a few people have been prosecuted (fined in the end) for bandwidth theft by accessing their neighbours wireless router that wasnt secure and using it so they didnt have to pay for an internet connection. I guess using APs for this use would therefore be considered illegal in the UK? Shame

**BarryWoods** · 06-27-2006, 11:20 PM

Yea, those mean old isp's. They should just give it away. Then they'd all go under and then no one would have internet.

**CoyoteBoy** · 06-28-2006, 06:04 AM

Not really, no-one does all their surfing from their car now do they? Even if i could get free connections at certain locations (itd be nice at the beach so i cant get realtime weather reports) I'd still pay for it at home happily.

**Ste_nova** · 06-28-2006, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by CoyoteBoy

but in the UK a few people have been prosecuted (fined in the end) for bandwidth theft by accessing their neighbours wireless router that wasnt secure

yes but whats the likelyhood of being caught while in a car... esp if you have a 3g connection thats allways on

**Enforcer** · 06-28-2006, 07:14 AM

It's like having sex in a car.

Chances of you getting caught are minimal, but if you do it'll be all over the news.

**BarryWoods** · 06-29-2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Enforcer

It's like having sex in a car.

Chances of you getting caught are minimal, but if you do it'll be all over the news.

We were parked out by the tracks
We're sitting in the back
And we just started getting busy
When she whispered "what was that?"
The wind, I think 'cause no one else knows where we are
And that was when she started screamin'
"That's my dad outside the car!"
Oh please, the keys, they're not in the ignition
Must have wound up on the floor while
we were switching our positions
I guess they knew that she was missing
As I tried to tell her dad it was her mouth that I was kissing

**silv3rman** · 07-02-2006, 07:39 PM

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**Graywolf** · 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by yrean

i dont beleive its legal exactly. and morally its probably not right anyhow. but that doesnt mean it wont continue to happen. im sure theres loopholes with it in the law with alot of other things that occur on the internet that will allow people to continue to do it.

BTW. even secure networks arent secure.. if your running wireless even with encryption your not safe. hell actually mac addresses arent entirely safe since they can be cloned. but thats a little harder to do then break an encryption key. think im ****tying you? google "airsnort" thats the software that allows an encryption key to be decrypted just by testing packets. i never use encyption keys but filter by MAC.

It's a lot easier to copy a mac address than decrypt a encryption key...Then its just a matter of waiting until that person isn't using the computer to login.