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    Ok, so if I'm at home logging on to my network with an SSID of "linksys" with no encryption. I then take off to work. In the course of driving to work, I wander into the range of someone else's "linksys" network, XP will log in automatically, without asking me.

    It then continues to check for XP updates, perhaps checks email, looks for new anti-virus definations. All without my knowing.

    Am I breaking the law? Is my computer breaking the law? Is Microsoft to blame?

    Just some thoughts. FYI, my SSID is not "linksys" and my WiFi is encrypted and un-crackable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phc
    Am I breaking the law? Is my computer breaking the law? Is Microsoft to blame?
    1) Yes
    2) It is just doing what you told it
    3) No, your ignorance is to blame.

    Ignorance is no excuse for breaking a law. Of course, it is a good defense if you get caught. You still managed to break a law.
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    Okay, I'm not even a Windoze user and I know there's a checkbox to disable auto connecting.

    Ignorance of the law won't get you anywhere in court. Ignorance and big tits might keep it from going that far though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phc
    Just some thoughts. FYI, my SSID is not "linksys" and my WiFi is encrypted and un-crackable.
    Really? The NSA would be very interested in the particulars of your un-crackable encryption techniques. Enough time and resources and anything is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phc
    Ok, so if I'm at home logging on to my network with an SSID of "linksys" with no encryption. I then take off to work. In the course of driving to work, I wander into the range of someone else's "linksys" network, XP will log in automatically, without asking me.

    It then continues to check for XP updates, perhaps checks email, looks for new anti-virus definations. All without my knowing.

    Am I breaking the law? Is my computer breaking the law? Is Microsoft to blame?

    Just some thoughts. FYI, my SSID is not "linksys" and my WiFi is encrypted and un-crackable.

    You're jokeing right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryWoods
    You're jokeing right?
    Nope. I use WPA. WPA is not crackable.

    WEP was a poor implementation of a solid crypto idea and therefore is crackable.

    WPA is good implementation of a solid crypto idea only vunerable via brute force (would take hundred's of centuries or more) or via password guessing. WPA uses RC4 encryption in addition to TKIP (keys change over time). WPA2 uses AES - encryption used for government "Top Secret" applicaitons.

    My password is generated randomonly based on this perfect password generator and additional shuffeling of bits on my end.

    https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm.

    So you basically end up with random password that is 256 bits - so you end up with 1x10^77 possible passwords.

    My wifi router uses open-source firmware, therefore no back-doors.

    Like I said, my wifi is encrypted and un-crackable.

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    has anyone ever even heard of a crack attempt on an indeviduals little wifi... I know tons of people who leave theres wide open & I have never heard anyone ever talk of there system being comprimised or tampered with...

    has anyone ever heard of a situation that this has even happened in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phc
    Nope. I use WPA. WPA is not crackable.

    WEP was a poor implementation of a solid crypto idea and therefore is crackable.

    WPA is good implementation of a solid crypto idea only vunerable via brute force (would take hundred's of centuries or more) or via password guessing. WPA uses RC4 encryption in addition to TKIP (keys change over time). WPA2 uses AES - encryption used for government "Top Secret" applicaitons.

    My password is generated randomonly based on this perfect password generator and additional shuffeling of bits on my end.

    https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm.

    So you basically end up with random password that is 256 bits - so you end up with 1x10^77 possible passwords.

    My wifi router uses open-source firmware, therefore no back-doors.

    Like I said, my wifi is encrypted and un-crackable.

    WPA is crackable, just not as fast as WEP.

    http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Conte...WPAttyMain.htm

    As far as people actually getting caught doing it. Oops, missed the part about an individual. Most people wouldn't even report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryWoods
    WPA is crackable, just not as fast as WEP.
    Its not a crack, coWPAtty is a dictionary attack on the pre shared key, as I mentioned above. A weak key will always be vulernable to dictionary attacks.

    My PSK is a purely random 256 bit password, resulting in over 1x10^77 possible passwords. Lets say you could test my wifi with 100,000 passwords per second (not sure what it really is), you would exhaust the possibilities in 3.66x10^64 years.

    The english dictionary has about 60,000 words. You can find password dictionarys with 150,000+ unique words, but it doesn't compare to a 256 bit random password.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phc
    Its not a crack, coWPAtty is a dictionary attack on the pre shared key, as I mentioned above. A weak key will always be vulernable to dictionary attacks.

    My PSK is a purely random 256 bit password, resulting in over 1x10^77 possible passwords. Lets say you could test my wifi with 100,000 passwords per second (not sure what it really is), you would exhaust the possibilities in 3.66x10^64 years.

    The english dictionary has about 60,000 words. You can find password dictionarys with 150,000+ unique words, but it doesn't compare to a 256 bit random password.

    Hey, I did say it wasn't as fast as WEP! You're in a very small minority of people who actually use non dictionary words. You must have edited your post the same time I replied, I didn't see that part when I hit reply. Then I had to run off and do some more work.
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