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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    D@mn I hate all this overkillness.
    Oh, no you don't. You love it, secretly. Me, too.
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    Overkill is the standard for most of us, isn't it? First day of school, wasn't as bad as I had expected... The dual battery setup has held up great so far, but I haven't tested it with the PC yet because my Windoze install died on me...
    I have bad luck with vehicles...

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    Well I got the email from the other Durango owner. There doesnt seem to be any benefit to doing it when you have a overkill system. Either way I would have to run the engine. Im just going to go with the HO Alt and deep cell battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Well I got the email from the other Durango owner. There doesnt seem to be any benefit to doing it when you have a overkill system. Either way I would have to run the engine. Im just going to go with the HO Alt and deep cell battery.
    a very short response would be... where there is a will, there is a way...

    Not sure about under the hood on your ride, but-- one of my favorite setup's for high-end audio systems is a 2nd alternator, and 2nd battery "pool"

    http://www.caraudiomag.com/technical...tor/index.html

    But, really- we are gettting ahead of our self.

    To design a propper power source, You need to know how much you are going to draw and how long you want it to run...

    Then, we can create a pool of batteries capable of doing that and choose an alternator capable of refilling the pool...

    Keep in mind, there are no free rides-- If you drain the pool of batteries, the 2nd alternator will be drawing horsepower to make the 12v to refill them... You will see a drop in MPG during that time... but most of us are willing to pay that price...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy71 View Post
    a very short response would be... where there is a will, there is a way...

    Not sure about under the hood on your ride, but-- one of my favorite setup's for high-end audio systems is a 2nd alternator, and 2nd battery "pool"

    http://www.caraudiomag.com/technical...tor/index.html

    But, really- we are gettting ahead of our self.

    To design a propper power source, You need to know how much you are going to draw and how long you want it to run...

    Then, we can create a pool of batteries capable of doing that and choose an alternator capable of refilling the pool...

    Keep in mind, there are no free rides-- If you drain the pool of batteries, the 2nd alternator will be drawing horsepower to make the 12v to refill them... You will see a drop in MPG during that time... but most of us are willing to pay that price...



    Let me know if you'd like some help!
    I think that is where there is an issue. I have not calculated what I will be using. Once I get everything in I will worry about this upgrade.
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    Omg fire!!!!!11111oneoneone

    Yes, I had an electrical fire take place in my car yesterday while I was cleaning it out... Lost both CF cards... All music is backed up, all settings are restore-able. Net zero loss except for the $$$ involved. Looking at Automotive grade SSDs right now. School has started back up, time lost in some places, and time gained in others.
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    What the f^&k!!!!!!!!!! Are you serious? I don't think you are doing this careful enough. Every time you mention cleaning the car, your hitting wires and causing shorts and now fires. A proper install shouldn't have these issues. I can literally spill $h!+ and clean till the cows come home and not once will it affect the PC because I was so meticulous about running the cable. I am not trying to bash or anything, but I have warned you before about this, and I do not want to see you get hurt at all because your PC blew up because you rushed something. Take a deep breath, step back and analyze your situations. If I were you (your gonna hate me), but I would rip out all electrical and start over. Just rerun everything and do it section by section properly. I mean I would take the electrical so seriously because it can ruin your PC and even take your whole car with it. Is your setup fused? Shouldn't those have kicked in and protected your PC too. Also from the sounds of it, it seems like your electrical is making contact with the car, so somewhere you didn't cover your splice points and connections. Use shrink wrap on those or those clamp thingies (i don't know the name of them) where you stick one end of the wire then use pliers to crimp it, then the other end of the wire and crimp it also. Makes a nice solid connection.



    PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE I urge you to rethink your install carefully. Don't just focus on getting the PC running. Focus on getting the PC running but in a safe manner.
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    I hope all this was faulty parts, not faulty installation.

    One of the reasons it takes me so long to get things done is that I solder every joint or use a wiring block. There are no crimped or twist-on connections in the car. Mobile environments carry the hazard of vibration and cramped quarters, in addition to spills and the usual household problems. But they shouldn't be subject to problems with wires so exposed that you hit them when cleaning.

    It'd be good to take HiJack's advice and go through the car section by section and make sure everything is right. Take extra time on the wiring.

    Lesson here:
    You're better off with fewer neat features that run well than lotsa stuff cobbled together and on fire.

    I still hope it was faulty parts, not faulty installation.
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    HiJack mentioned the crimp-on "thingies"(I can't remember what they're called either), those and my crimp-on quick-(dis)connects are what caused it. I guess since they were old, they didn't do the job, or I didn't crimp them good enough. And, yes the fuse kicked in(15A, same size as the one on the OPUS). That's why I only lost my CF cards rather than the entire MB. The wires came loose when I picked up the box(had it laying in my back seat cause I was too lazy to put it back in the panel) and moved it to get some trash thrown out. I started smelling electrical smoke and... Well, you know the rest.

    But a quick question for rdholtz. My AUX battery back-feeds into my electrical system. If I pull the fuse under the hood, my distro block still has power. I have my constant 12V wire run there, but my real thing is, I need to be able to connect my 8 guage to the relay, but I think it's too big to be able to. How could I do it?
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    I hate the smell of burnt wire

    Quote Originally Posted by freeflashstuff View Post
    HiJack mentioned the crimp-on "thingies"(I can't remember what they're called either), those and my crimp-on quick-(dis)connects are what caused it.
    The group of Crimp on ends are referred to as solderless connectors... and require a special tool, used properly to work.

    http://www.tptools.com/pl/Images,Pi-...ping-Tool.html

    Even then, the usage rules for proper guage and connector must be strictly adhered to. Since I'm one who does not like all of these silly rules, I purchase all solderless connectors, then remove the plastic and solder/heat shrink them.

    If you don't use the crimp tool, the right way, you will find that the barrel of the crimp on ends simply becomes a tight sleeve with no locking indent. Tug on it a bit, and it comes off.

    The crimp goes on the round side, not the split side.
    Check chapter 4-2 in this book. It shows clearly how to use the crimp tool correctly...

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ks-...age&q=&f=false






    Quote Originally Posted by freeflashstuff View Post
    But a quick question for rdholtz. My AUX battery back-feeds into my electrical system. If I pull the fuse under the hood, my distro block still has power. I have my constant 12V wire run there, but my real thing is, I need to be able to connect my 8 guage to the relay, but I think it's too big to be able to. How could I do it?
    Depending upon the distance and amps you are pushing, you may want to consider dual relays or a bigger one. 8 Gauge is the max your relay will carry. But you will have a tough time finding the terminals to do this.

    So, swap to dual relays-- (load handling jumps from 30amps to 60 amps), and solder in a splice that converts 8 gauge to 2 x 10 gauge wires.... each running to 1 relay. The 2 x 10 gauge wires exceed load handling of the single 8 and you can actually buy the tools cheaply.

    This goes back to the electrical math I mentioned before...

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/am...uge-d_730.html


    So, when are we going to talk about the dual-output alternator for 100% separate AUX system?
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