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    No problem dude. I did some some surfing around to see what you can get that is
    A) Low power (and/or easy to DC <= 12V).
    B) Can do linux (or bonus of XPe/XP)
    C) Small and under $99

    That's when i ran across the HP Thin terminals on Ebay like this guy for $99 and under:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-T5710-800MHz-...3%3A1|294%3A50

    There are plenty of hacks to make these guys do Linux, XPe, or XP to make it your *dock* persay for the same price...most by default run off a CF card, but there are plenty of ones out there with harddrives or instructions on how to hack it up.

    This would at least reduce your PC "dock" costs from $300 to $100.
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    I've never seen that before. How old are those things? It looks like they list new for around $600.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    Using the iPhone in the Car

    How well is the iPhone experiment going so far? I've just gotten a chance to use it on a long trip (about 600 miles roundtrip) and compared it side by side to my Mac install running the ICE3 frontend software.

    Summary: It works pretty well. It is far from a perfect solution, but it does work well. It needs some type of integration to keep it from being a hazard to operate when driving. The screen is too small and requires too much concentration to use safely when operating the vehicle.

    How I used it
    Most of the time, a car PC will be doing multiple tasks such as music plus something else (like GPS). The iPhone will only run one application at a time. Thus, if you want to listen to something like Pandora streaming radio, you cannot do so at the same time you are browsing the web.

    Multi-taskingThe official explanation for the multi-tasking limitation is that it eats battery life. I can attest to this, having run multiple apps in the background. However, since I am running the iPhone in a car, I simply plug the phone into a car power supply and this issue is moot.

    One way around this restriction is to jailbreak the iPhone and load an application called Backgrounder, which allows apps to run in the background while you run another app. Backgrounder lets you assign certain programs to run in the background each time you launch them. For instance, I have my GPS tracking program set to automatically load and run in the background.



    The GPS problemThe big hole in the iPhone world is turn by turn navigation. While this is constantly rumored to be 'coming soon,' there are already programs that will do navigation (xGPS) if you are willing to jailbreak the iPhone.



    xGPS gives turn by turn nav directions over a Google map display and does a credible job of providing nav info. While it needs a few things added to improve it, the program is reasonably ready for prime time and I have been using it with good success in the car.

    Typical Usage
    I tend to do a couple of things on my car PC. 1) play music; 2) run GPS or a GPS tracking program; 3) Check traffic occasionally.

    With Backgrounder, it is easy to stream Pandora radio for music

    while displaying GPS tracking or route information,


    relay your position to the web,


    and check Google traffic -all at the same time.


    However....

    This is all great. However, the problem is still that the iPhone interface, as nice as it is, is not designed for operation while in the car. You have to concentrate and look at the screen to press some buttons and the button sizes are fine for hand held use but can be very difficult to press when the car is in motion - especially when it is even a little bumpy.

    In addition, the experience is not 'integrated'. I've put all of my commonly used in-car apps on a single home page, but it still feels like the old days of personal computers when you could only run one program at a time. When you needed to run another, you closed the open program and loaded the new one.

    Even with backgrounder, you have to go to the home screen and then hit the icon of the backgrounded app. While it pops up instantly without the loading time, the whole process feels like you aren't using a seamless product.

    Final Grade I give the iPhone a C+ as a grade for the in car experience. It brings a lot of capability and extensibility to your mobile experience, but it also would benefit from an integrated front end type app and the ability to control the phone from another device like a Griffin Powermate.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    Cool Video irony

    Does anyone appreciate the irony of a video about hacking an alternate video display for your iPhone not actually being viewable on the iPhone itself? My kingdom for an iPhone with Flash support! (Palm Pre supports Flash. )

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    I can definitely appreciate it. That's a today problem. In the near future, I think it will go away.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
    Want to:
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    -Find out about carPC's in just 5 minutes? View the Car PC 101 video

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1wiseash View Post
    Does anyone appreciate the irony of a video about hacking an alternate video display for your iPhone not actually being viewable on the iPhone itself? My kingdom for an iPhone with Flash support! (Palm Pre supports Flash. )
    Not technically true, the iPhone does support flash, the plugins already exist, that how they can be viewed on the youtube app, its merely that it has been disabled in the browser.

    If you watch this, it gives you an indication of how easily flash support 'could' be added [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9DlXVKs2c[/media]

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    Quote Originally Posted by infamous_t View Post
    Not technically true, the iPhone does support flash, the plugins already exist, that how they can be viewed on the youtube app, its merely that it has been disabled in the browser.

    If you watch this, it gives you an indication of how easily flash support 'could' be added [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9DlXVKs2c[/media]
    Now that is an awesome tool. Thanks for the tip, infamous_t!

    Unfortunately, I couldn't get it to work on bugbyte's posted flash video. I'll try it the next time I run into a flash video. It may just be the way bugbyte's video is embedded.

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    Nice tip!! Thanks for posting that. I'm going to try it out on my iPhone.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
    Want to:
    -Find out about the new iBug iPad install?
    -Find out about carPC's in just 5 minutes? View the Car PC 101 video

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    By way of unhijacking bugbyte's thread, the video he posted was great. I will have to try some of those apps. Unfortunately, I cannot keep my iPhone jailbroken because it might interfere with my legitimate iPhone App Store submissions. (I realize I'm being a little paranoid, but you just never know with Apple.)

    BTW, 3.0 introduces a means of controlling external devices from your iPhone! Check it out: http://gizmodo.com/5171796/iphone-30...u-need-to-know

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    I did not read all 12 pages of this post so I dont know if it has been discussed before, but I will tell you this. Avoid iphone like the plague. It is nowhere near as powerful as other devices around. At the end of the day the iphone is a piece of crap surrounded by a bunch of hype.

    Fact is phones more powerful than the latest iphone was around before the release of the first iphone. Any of the new smartphones by HTC will blow the iphone to pieces.


    I may not know a lot about carpc's but I'm something of an expert when it comes to smart phones. Hell the smart phone is the reason I don't have a carpc yet.



    Proof - [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7qFSNv3tRs[/media]
    This is a 5 part video I made to show the power of a real smart phone. to see the true power watch all 5 parts. Also keep in mind the phone I used in this video was out before the release of the first iphone and it is still better than the newest iphone out.


    BTW I no longer have the phone I use tho make this video. Upgraded to the touch pro about 8 months ago. The touch pro is about 3 times more powerful than the phone used in this video (and ages ahead of the current iphone)

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