2005 Hyundai Tiburon/Coupe Full Install

**HiJackZX1** · 11-16-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Greeno2k8

hey,

Im using a usb interface with 16 digital inputs and 16 digital outputs, i dont know anything about the fusion brain but i guess its similar.

the outputs drive relays that replicate the old switches and dials from the dash and the inputs read the status of what would have been the lights on the buttons as a form of feedback.

Took a while to get it all working but was definately worth it in the end,

jon

I know exactly what your talking about. I use one of those in my install to activate the powered VGA splitters on my rear screens.

Thats so cool though, I don't think I would have had the patience.

**Greeno2k8** · 11-16-2009, 05:15 PM

Well to be honest I think if you take methodical approach to it then its really achieveable. My process was to look at each switch in the centre console one by one. Figure out which wires the switch actually switches. There'll likely only be two for each switch and it'll either make the contacks or break them when you push it. I then looked for the wire that 'goes live' when the switch is on and would usually power the little light in or around the button to indicate that you've turned something on.

The only exceptions are the dials which are usually just rotary potentiometers or variable resistors. With these I just measured their resistance at the various positions (fan directions or heat settings in my case) and I used relays and individual fixed resistors to essentially create a number of 'fixed potentiometers' that were switched in and out of the circuit using the USB I/O board and a few relays. You could replicate the dials using stepper motors or even digital potentiometers but frankly thats too complicated and not worth the effort.

As an example, my original temerature dial obviously had infinite settings for the fan heat, you could move it the tiniest amount and alter the heat output. But in my software system now I actually only have 7 settings from fully cold to fully hot and those are more than enough. Of course you wouldnt know that there were only 7 settings from using my front-end, it looks like a normal dial. infact, here they are:

The lines mark out where i've defined HTML image maps to respond to where the user clicks, anywhere in the first triangle switches to the first 'fixed potentiometer' and anywhere in the second switches to the second, so on and so on.

The dial that controlled my fan power wasnt a potentiometer, it was a rotary switch and I could tell from the size of the cables/connections on the back that it was directly switching the power for the fan. But there was still a simple solution, I just installed i think 6 power relays to again replicate the dial in its various positions and switch the fan current.

The feedback is the easy part. The 12v that the car would normally use to light up an indicator bulb is wired into a potential divider to drop it to 5v and is pumped straight into the digitial inputs and onto the software. Any 5v feedback can go stright into the inputs without dropping down. The inputs on my board are very high impedance so don't have to worry about them trying to draw any current and messing anything else up.

It's actually a really simple system. The only problem is that you end up with a pretty sizeable circuit board with lots and lots of wires attached to it, lol. Most of which are carrying 12v. So getting them all into, in my case, quite a cramped dashboard without any issues is a challenge and quite nerve racking, lol.

I also had a challenge in finding feedback sources for some of the buttons that didnt have lights. For these I had to get to know the A/C controller board in the car real well and start tapping off voltage sources where I could find them, lol.

Anyway I think i'm getting a bit carried away here, lol. I do this alot when I start talking about the technical stuff in the car. Only difference is the people i'm usually explaining it to couldn't care less, lol, hopefully thats not the case here.

UPDATE:

Well back to the install and I'm glad to say that all the wiring is done and i'm now on to a final cabling check, I'm recording all the fuse values that I've used for the various power feeds and making sure that they're appropriate, I dont want them blowing under normal use because they're too small but I also dont want them to not blow soon enough if there's a problem because they're too large.

The subs should be able to go in tomorrow for their set-up. Im certainly on the finishing straight.

Jon

**Greeno2k8** · 11-21-2009, 02:01 PM

Getting reeeeally close now. Got all the rear of the car cleaned down today, after all the work thats been done it was full or dust/bits and being that there are gaps in between all of the panels, it wouldn't have taken much more than a quick gust of wind from the windows to lift it all up giving me another clean up job to do.

Tidied and secured all the wiring, added a couple more supports to the steel panel frame and finished setting up the amps/audio system in general.

Also updated the front end to include controls for the red and white LED's in the back

This is how the light control screen looks now, Neon controls along the top, LED controls along the middle and mode selection for the 'spectrum' LEDs along the bottom.

The sliding bar on the left lets me vary the brightness of the red panel leds and the bar on the right lets me vary the brightness of the white leds in the boot. If i set the bars to the top where its red then those leds will vary their brightness in response to the music like the spectrum LED's do.

Anyway, also got a batch of panels sanded and polished today, probably about 1/3 of them. So my first job tomorrow will be to finish the rest and see what else I can get done.

Jon

**Greeno2k8** · 11-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Took the afternoon off work today to do a test fit of all the panels in the back. Still need some more adjustments/fine tuning but its getting real close, was really impressed with the overall appearance when everything was fired up. Took a few taster pics:

(NOS bottle not cabled up yet as it has to come out again, hence the loose connectors)

If these pics dont get a response from soemone then I'm gonna scream, cant talk to myself forever, lol.

Jon

**HiJackZX1** · 11-23-2009, 05:04 PM

My bad, I been sick.

[start rant]

Plus I been pi$$ed about my own build. I have to put my fabrication into other peoples hands, because it isnt my strong suit. For some reason people in Miami have never ever heard of a time line. I gave him an extra week (I was sick all last week, so I was to sick to call or check up), I call today and he says he needs 3 more days. This console better be flawless or Im gonna open a can of whoop @$$ on him.

[end rant]

Your install is look awesome.... i like how you have everything. Only thing is that I think you went over board with all those LED lights. Do they go all along the cabin? Do they do anything special, like move in patterns?

**SoloconDeus** · 11-23-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Greeno2k8

Took the afternoon off work today to do a test fit of all the panels in the back. Still need some more adjustments/fine tuning but its getting real close, was really impressed with the overall appearance when everything was fired up. Took a few taster pics:

(NOS bottle not cabled up yet as it has to come out again, hence the loose connectors)

If these pics dont get a response from soemone then I'm gonna scream, cant talk to myself forever, lol.

Jon

Actually most of do talk to ourselves more than others, as long as you don't have conversations with yourself I think you're fine.

Anyway after looking at your install "My God man do you have any interest in a girlfriend, LOL"J/K
I love it, I never would have gone that far. My wife would have killed me; o'yeah she made me sell my Tibi for a more family friendly vehicle. (she's a great women though, putting up with me) Back to topic. I love the install, organized wiring and placement of the individual parts. Just remember to block or redirect the heater vents under the seats.
NOS ain't my style but with all that extra weight you may need it. Tibi's are not known for thier power. Yet I do like the open placement,. The body kit is cool, and something I looked into. Best of all though to me is the install, the computer, amps speakers, woofers, LEDs and HVAC, then controlling from the P.C. great job. I want video, I have to live vicariously though this. Keep going.

**rdholtz** · 11-23-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

. . . Only thing is that I think you went over board with all those LED lights. Do they go all along the cabin? Do they do anything special, like move in patterns?

You only have to look at this build to know that it's overboard, but it's overboard done very, very well, with an eye to detail. In an earlier post, Jon said:

Originally Posted by Greeno2k8

. . . The rear of the car is for just for show. I think function/usefulness is way down the bottom my list, lol.

This is well-engineered insanity. And that's the point: it's dazzlingly overboard.

Interesting stuff, Jon.

**Greeno2k8** · 11-23-2009, 06:13 PM

Now that's what i'm talking about, lol, thanks for the replies, i appreciate it.

HiJack, sorry to hear about your install problems. The only LED's in the back are the ones you see, no more at the moment. They are controlled by the front end and can vary in brightness from off to fully on and their brightness can also be controlled by the music. Gotta agree to disagree here because it's getting more, lol. Although the final LED's to go in will be in two 8"x11" blocks on either side of the boot, about 1200LED's in each. These'll be fully controlled by the LED PIC in a similar fashion to the door LED's. But as ive talked about further down, the LED's are purely for entertainment, which is why they're easily controllable from the front-end.

Solocon, thanks for the comments. The rear heater ducts were removed and blocked off some time ago so no problems there. You're right about the power, tibs have never been fast cars, the NOS is mainly there as an element of the boot install. NOS is not a practical method for increasing power gains, but for occasional short term boosts and it's undeniable ability for attracting attention its definately worth it (and not to mention it's fun, lol). I've never been into really fast cars, this one scares me enough, i dont need to go faster, lol. I have installed coilover suspension all around along with polyurathane bushes and uprated brakes which has made an unbelieveable difference to the way the car drives (which has always been good anyway) and allows me to carry more speed through corners with more confidence, which for me outweighs going fast on the straights and praying into the corners, lol. Anyway we're getting off topic.

rd, you're really hit the nail on the head and I really appreciate that. Too many people have looked at my mods (this is mk4, the previous 3 have all been very different) and purely tried to find the practicality in them, when it's clear to those who know that the back of this car is far from practical, its a point of entertainment only. The front of the car is chocked full of practicality but the workings behind it are very technical and that's where most loose interest, lol, not that I blame them.

Anyway, it's good to hear support from people with similar interest to mine.

Back to the project: This was just a test fit to get an all round impression on how things fit. There are a few adjustments to make to various panels and their mounts. I've also lost the pressure sensor for the NOS bottle which is a bit of a pain so that needs finding. Then there are some final adjustments to the software before I can move this to the main projects forum.

More to come,

Jon

EDIT: Don't know why i didnt post this pic with the rest, maybe because its a bit blurry. But anyway, It shows one of my fave parts in more detail which is the 6x9 speaker install. It looks very clean to the eye, especially without any grills. The pic also shows the how reflective the panels are, so much so that the whole boot seems to glow red with the LED's on, lol.

**SoloconDeus** · 11-23-2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Greeno2k8

I've never been into really fast cars, this one scares me enough, i dont need to go faster, lol. I have installed coilover suspension all around along with polyurathane bushes and uprated brakes which has made an unbelieveable difference to the way the car drives (which has always been good anyway) and allows me to carry more speed through corners with more confidence, which for me outweighs going fast on the straights and praying into the corners, lol. Anyway we're getting off topic.

Jon

Ok yeah off topic , but the modifications to the suspension will help. To be honest though 145 MPH is a great feeling on a strait. Yea it will do 160 MPH trust that, make sure you got the right tires too. My Tibi was my first and last semi-fast car, I've gone back to SUVs

**Greeno2k8** · 11-23-2009, 06:33 PM

lol, funny you should mention tires, I had a set of toyo T1-R's fitted about 6 months ago and have put barely 100 miles on them as the car's been off the road for most of that time, lol.

Looking forward to getting back out on the road and 'wearing them in' lol.

Jon