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    Gah, fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    Gah, fine.
    My only fear is that the IDE to Sata will not work reliably. Im hoping they will, I read reviews and most are good. Problem is that IDE HDDs are pretty much a thing of the past. Cant really buy new, has to be refurbished.
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    I used an ide to SATA adapter back in the days of xbox modding to drop in a 500gb drive. Worked forever. I would imagine for the most part there shouldn't be any problems as long as you didn't buy one from places like deals extreme or similar.

    EDIT: Then again... my OBD2 bluetooth device came from deals extreme... and it's awesome.
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    Mine came from a company called DigiSearch. Honestly, as long as it works, I dont care how cheap it is. At this point I want to finish. Technically the Main PC is done, but since I want to install the per user units, Ive had to take it apart to place in its new home.

    I ordered 6 IDE Extension to extend the IDE port on the mobo. The IDE to Sata is to high for the case. I got those in yesterday.
    I then ordered IDE to Sata converters to convert IDE to Sata since all my HDD are Sata. I got those today.
    Im just waiting on my IDE to SATA power cables. I have one laying around so I can build a unit and test it. If it works, clone it.

    Saturday I hope to take the rest of the system out, build its new home and put back in.
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    Update.....

    Well the IDE to SATA converters did not work. The motherboard saw nothing. The problem is that the MoBo needs a IDE drive to boot. The IDE to SATA isnt bootable, so the PC sees nothing. My last and final hope, before I give up, is to buy 6 of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816132009. These are PCI to SATA controllers. The cool thing about this card is that it has its own BIOS, therefor will boot a SATA drive and ignore the missing IDE drive that the Mobo wants.

    So here is the total per unit;

    Unit itself: 19.00
    Power Brick: 7.00
    SATA HDD: 20.00
    PCI to SATA: 20.00

    Total: 66.00 per unit. Still saves me over the Raspberry PI and all the accessories I would have needed.
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    Individual Computers almost done!

    I've had all the parts for sometime, but never built them because I was scared it would not work like with the previous IDE to SATA converters I tried. Well I am happy to say that they work. Basically I needed a PCI to SATA card that had its own BIOS. I managed to find it, but it cost me $19.95. Thats more than what the PC units cost me ($17.00). After figuring out how to slipstream the drivers onto the XP install, the units work fine. I notice that when downloading the speed is ok, but when installing things like updates, this thing is h3lla slow. Since the user will not be able to install programs, (I used Deepfreeze) I am not worried about it. I put Centrafuse 3.6 on one unit, and all though not as responsive, like on my main system, (when I hit a button there is like a 1 second lag). I wasnt expecting it to be fast in the first place. In fact, the unit has exceeded my expectations. We all know CF is rather bloated, so I thought it was going to bring the system to a halt. Now I only tested one system, reason being is that the other 5 units are identical. So I know the others will work the same way. So now that one HDD is 95% configured to the way I want, I will simply clone the HDD. All units will get 20GB 2.5 HDD, except one, which is a 40GB 2.5. The full install, minus the language packs of XP, comes out to 10.20GB. I intend to install a few odds and ends like emulators and what not, but nothing that would ever get it even close to the 20GB limit. Now to achieve the cloning, I will use my main desktop PC, a software called XXClone, and two USB to SATA USB converters. I had one converter laying around, and ordered the second yesterday. So all I do is connect both, in the drop down choose the correct drives and hit OK. Thats it! In the future I hope to upgrade all 6 with SSD. Only issue is, I do not know how it will work, seeing that XP doesnt have leveling built into it. Wont the drive die faster?

    Now here is my question, how should I secure the HDDs for the units. My thought was to build a shelf that holds all the drives, then each unit connects to its specific drive, but that takes up precious space. As we know my install takes up a lot of space, so I am trying to minimize taking up more then what I have to. I was thinking of maybe putting each HDD in its own respective PC unit case, but as we know, 2.5 HDD were not meant for cars. If one breaks, I then have to take apart a lot to get to it. All units are stacked, so say the second from the bottom breaks, I would have to take apart the top 4 to get to it. Another idea, which is the easiest, is to have a single panel and the drives are connected to that panel via heavy duty double sided tap. Then each HDD would be next to its unit vertically. My only concern is that Florida heat will eventually melt the adhesive away. Not only do I have to install these HDDs, but I also have the rest of the install to consider.

    Things that have to be installed:

    1) 6 thin clients. (These will make up the core of the car pc. Basically everything will be placed around them.)
    2) 6 kvmp switches. (These will most likely end up in a stacked fashion to the left of the thin clients. This will give me easy access to the units. In the past they were in a compartment that was impossible to reach. When one went faulty, I had to pray that it would come back on. The KVMP's VGA/USB/Sound wires will all run from KVMP units down into a hidden compartment, then up to its respective PC unit. For the main system KVMP VGA/USB wires, they will also run from the KVMP units down into a hidden compartment where they will connect to powered VGA splitters that will also be in the compartment. The VGA splitters need no maintenance, so they can be hidden. From the VGA splitters, a single DVI-D cable will run to the main PC.
    3) The main PC. (This will most likely go on the right side of the thin clients. The configuration is unknown. It has to accommodate tons of devices and connections.)
    4) Odds and ends. (Wont know where all that goes until the other stuff is in place.
    5) Amps, battery, and inverter. ( This will all stay in place, to the right had side of car. The inverter will be with the battery. The inverter is what I am using to power the thin clients and the KVMP switches. Using any other method has failed. Then on top of the battery will go the amps. I am getting rid of the amp sub combo and getting a mono amp and 2 10' sub speakers.)

    That should be it. But as we car PC people know, not everything goes as planned. Especially with my install.

    Pictures of the thin clients are below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    ....I notice that when downloading the speed is ok, but when installing things like updates, this thing is h3lla slow. Since the user will not be able to install programs, (I used Deepfreeze) I am not worried about it. I put Centrafuse 3.6 on one unit, and all though not as responsive, like on my main system, (when I hit a button there is like a 1 second lag). I wasnt expecting it to be fast in the first place.
    Not to step on toes here, but I would be curious as to how OpenMobile runs on one of those thin clients. If (and only if) you find time to try it, let me know. I am curious merely for the speed/response time on a minimal unit such as your thin clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmullan99 View Post
    Not to step on toes here, but I would be curious as to how OpenMobile runs on one of those thin clients. If (and only if) you find time to try it, let me know. I am curious merely for the speed/response time on a minimal unit such as your thin clients.

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    I'm sure OM would fly on these units. Only thing is that these units have the PCI to SATA cards, which require slip streamed drivers. Otherwise the OS and PC do not see the HDD and start nagging that the IDE HDD is missing. Windows, setup in best performance (All the fancy effects and eye candy turned off), is very snappy and responsive. Centrafuse though is laggy, even in low mode. I'm going to have to play around with it. If I have to, i'll install CF 2.0. That has to be faster. Everything is pretty much coming together.

    The PC setup will be split into 4 areas:

    1) Multizone units (w/ Switch and Access Point).
    2) Main Car PC and KVMP enclosure.
    3) Small cabin area for storing excess wiring (will also house the powered VGA splitters for main PC).
    4) Cabin that stores plug strips for AC power adapters for KVMP units and thin clients.

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    1) Pretty straight forward. The thin clients will all be stacked. The HDD have had brackets made so they sit on the outside for ventilation and easy access. The AC power bricks have been attached inside the clients and a cord for each unit runs down to a AC power strip. The power/reset buttons have been removed for relocation into each passengers controls. That way if something goes wrong, I dont have to shut the whole array down. I also included external IDE ports. These units are very picky with USB items, especially CDROMs, so I use this to plug in a IDE CDROM. The CDROM is powered via a power brick. On top of the thin clients will sit a 8 port switch, and a 802.11 B/G access point.

    2) I honestly didnt know what to do with this area. I needed something that could house the main car pc, and give me easy access. It was the same with the KVMP switches. On rare instances, one KVMP may need to be reset and or stuff unplugged from it. I then remembered that my job had 2 old POS cases laying up stairs. I decided to use those and marry the cases into one. It is now a vertical standing unit. One side houses the car pc (with normal heat sink), SSD, Wifi card, Soho Echo cancel card, USB relay, and OPUS 320. Now everything is in one easy place. No going crazy with wires. All USB cables come up from bottom to top.

    The KVMP side was crafty. I basically used super strength epoxy and married the units to the case. The KVMP switches all had a metal bracket that held it in its plastic case. I took the plastic away, married the brackets to the case. I am still able to replace if a unit dies. All excess wiring goes down the bottom of the case to a cabin that will hide it away and keep it out the way. With the KVMP units will also go the mini amps for head phones, and Mini-pac units (keyboard emulators). All fit into this case nicely. Attached to the outside of the KVMP case hatch is the TPMS receiver.

    Pictures Bellow! You will notice in this install, it was all about cable management.
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    Nice. And good choice using the SSD

    When using a hard drive the cold winters would mess it up until the car warmed up. No such issues with SSD! Yay!
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    I think I have A.D.D when it comes to Car PC. I really was not happy with the thin clients. Ive decided to order a Mini MK802, which is a Android based mini PC. I also ordered a HDMI to VGA adapter. If this test unit works with the KVMP switch and touchscreen (I cant seem to find anything that a touchscreen will work or not) then all rear units will go to this setup.

    This has also kinda made me rethink my main setup. I mean development for a Car PC system seems to be almost dead. I think maybe the best use for the Car PC is as a server so the Android devices can access it. I refuse though to change out the screens and KVMP switches. So I guess the only thing is, how do I get a shared environment to work? Thing is, how many touchscreen inputs can it handle? Can one unit handle 6 touchscreens? If yes, then one unit can handle shared media. If not, then I will have to keep the main unit PC based. October 1st, the test unit comes in. This unit will determine the fate of my install.
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