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    Question 2003 VW Golf MKIV - in-dash project

    Hi, my name is Alexandre, from France, I have a 2003 VW Golf MKIV and I will show you my project of in-dash carputer and the modifications I did on my car.

    My goal is to fit all or most of the computer parts inside a double-DIN box with a 7" touchscreen and having a fully working system with GPS navigation, calls via Bluetooth and multimedia playback (and eventually an internet connection to get some live data).


    The car :

    - 2003 VW Golf MKIV
    - 1.6 16V 105PS engine
    - Blau anthrazit perleffekt color

    Engine modifications :

    - PiperCross air filter
    - Milltek cat-back with V6-style exhaust

    Exterior modifications :

    - Short roof antenna
    - Golf MKV rear windshield wiper
    - R32 looking headlights with black background
    - Black side blinkers
    - US GTI tail lights
    - V6 front and back plastic spoilers
    - Windows tinted by a friend
    - Golf MKV replica wing mirrors
    - TA Technix coilovers
    - Audi "A8 Star" 8.5x18" alloy wheels
    - 5x100 to 5x112 20mm adapters

    Interior modifications :

    - Glasses holder
    - R32 pedals
    - ICT gearshift
    - Passat W8 interior light
    - R32 air vents
    - Cruise control
    - R32 brushed alloy door handles
    - Recaro leather seats from Audi S3

    Multimedia modifications :

    - Macrom EXT 6.0 speakers
    - Alpine MRV-F540 amplifier
    - MTX Black Gold 250w RMS subwoofer
    - Carputer


    Some photos :








    Here is my actual carputer setup which is quite messy :






    The hardware that I already have :

    - Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard with Atom processor
    - CTF700-HM open-frame 7" TFT with USB touchscreen
    - Western Digital 2.5" 320GB (thinking of replacing it or adding a 64GB SSD)
    - BU-353 GPS USB receiver (working well but very slow to get position from cold boot)
    - ADSTech InstantFM USB (don't buy it! can't get any reception while driving...)
    - M2-ATX 6-24V DC/DC (160 Watts)
    - Belkin F8T017 Bluetooth USB adapter
    - RC JoyCon USB (connected to a Sony RM-X2S steering wheel command)
    - USB HUB with 4 ports and connected via 2 USB (one is for power)
    - Vag-Com USB cable to get OBDII data

    And what i'm planning to buy :

    - VIA EPIA-P820-12 Pico-ITX
    - Black Double Din Nano-ITX Carputer Enclosure
    - Lilliput 7" SKD Open Frame Touch Screen VGA Monitor with HDMI, DVI Input
    - Andrea Electronics Superbeam Array Microphone Bundle SUMA
    - Black Momentary Pushbutton Switch 12.5mm (will be used as a reset button, can be useful sometimes )
    - TP-Link TL-WN722N 802.11g/n USB adapter with RP-SMA antenna
    - 2GB Corsair Value Select SO-DIMM DDRII 800Mhz


    My questions :

    1) Is the VIA Pico-ITX mobo a good choice ? I plan to use Win7 and use all the USB plugs with it. What about boot times ? My Intel D945GCLF2 is painfully slow when booting! Does it have specific problems like the VIA NX15000EG ?

    2) Is the Andrea Bundle a good solution to use in the car ? I need to make phone calls via bluetooth with the voice coming from speakers and the mic will be integrated in the roof near the light (here).

    3) Do you think that the BlackBox will fit well in my Golf or will I need some dash kit to fill the space?


    Thanks and any suggestions are welcome

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    Can anyone answer my questions ? Thanks

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    ill attempt a few..


    1) whats wrong with the m2-atx? why change if its working fine?

    2) not sure. i am hands free free.

    3) personally I would recommend putting the computer in the trunk. I had a computer behind the screen and it was a pain. If you put it in the trunk you have you glove box back, and its just as accessible.

    You just have to run a few extra wires, and if you plan it right you only have to take part the car once.

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    1: i think most people shy away from that board-- it seems like it is 'ok' but my understanding is that it is primarily for embeded OS installs, so a full os install might run slow on it.

    2: i don't use it so i don't know..

    3a: does your dash measure close to 4" tall, by 7" wide? if not, you will need a dash kit.

    3b: also verify that you will have enough space behind the radio-- not all cars have the space for a deep enclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trititan View Post
    ill attempt a few..


    1) whats wrong with the m2-atx? why change if its working fine?

    2) not sure. i am hands free free.

    3) personally I would recommend putting the computer in the trunk. I had a computer behind the screen and it was a pain. If you put it in the trunk you have you glove box back, and its just as accessible.

    You just have to run a few extra wires, and if you plan it right you only have to take part the car once.
    Well, the M2 might take a little too much space, but yes, it's working well, so I'd like to keep it if possible.

    The trunk option is what I always wanted to avoid, because of the need to run cables and that when I will change my car, it won't be as easy to take the system and put it in the new car as an in-dash would be. Also it would take some trunk space and Golf trunks are not that big (I already have an amp and a sub in it and i'm going to remove the spare wheel to put the sub instead).


    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    1: i think most people shy away from that board-- it seems like it is 'ok' but my understanding is that it is primarily for embeded OS installs, so a full os install might run slow on it.

    2: i don't use it so i don't know..

    3a: does your dash measure close to 4" tall, by 7" wide? if not, you will need a dash kit.

    3b: also verify that you will have enough space behind the radio-- not all cars have the space for a deep enclosure.
    Ok, well I want to try it, as it doesn't seem that slow compared to an Atom 330, which is what I have right now. The VIA nano 1.2Ghz seems to be fast enough for my needs (mp3/video/phone and navi). If Seven requires too much ressources then I'll go for XP.

    About the dash kit, I think I might need one, but I already have a "universal double-din dash kit" for aftermarket double-din (which have been sanded and is a little broken). After some bondo-ing to the BlackBox and painting I think it could be ok .


    Thank you for your answers

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    well, as for the trunk, there is plenty of space for the computer in the side compartment. no need to remove the spare tire.

    here is my side compartment in my trunk. I'm using the stock monsoon amp and I have the computer mounted in the cd changer location.



    as for wires we are not talking about much different things here. an extra VGA cable and a few USB. and a mic line. and you can always leave them in the car.

    I hate the idea of the computer behind the screen. in the first few weeks of the car-pc you always have to access the computer, and change something until you get it to the way you like it. I have changed my setup 4 times now. I would be cussing if my computer was still behind the screen.

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    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, OMG that PC in the glove box. Redo all those cables!

    Quote Originally Posted by AXB View Post
    1) Is the VIA Pico-ITX mobo a good choice ? I plan to use Win7 and use all the USB plugs with it. What about boot times ? My Intel D945GCLF2 is painfully slow when booting! Does it have specific problems like the VIA NX15000EG ?
    Don't use VIA. Maybe its just me, but I have never had luck with VIA boards. They always seem to have some kind of short fall in some specific area. I'm a huge fan of Zotac. My install uses 2 Zotac boards and I love them. Fast boot and tons of over and under volting capabilities.

    2) Is the Andrea Bundle a good solution to use in the car ? I need to make phone calls via bluetooth with the voice coming from speakers and the mic will be integrated in the roof near the light (here).
    Problem with Andrea is that the echo cancellation is software based. It can really slow down a PC. What I would do is buy the Phoenix SOHO card, go here to look at the mod http://forums.fluxmedia.net/general-...enix-soho.html. Because all the cancellation is done by the card, no CPU resources are used. Its a guaranteed solution for echo cancel.

    3) Do you think that the BlackBox will fit well in my Golf or will I need some dash kit to fill the space?


    Thanks and any suggestions are welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by trititan View Post
    well, as for the trunk, there is plenty of space for the computer in the side compartment. no need to remove the spare tire.

    here is my side compartment in my trunk. I'm using the stock monsoon amp and I have the computer mounted in the cd changer location.
    I will remove the spare tire to put the subwoofer instead, not the computer , because right now the sub is taking a lot of space in the trunk.

    And in the side compartment I have a lot of things to hide, it's already full. In my Golf I don't have the other side compartment with the net that we can see on the right of your picture, so it's really the only place where I can put things.

    Quote Originally Posted by trititan View Post
    as for wires we are not talking about much different things here. an extra VGA cable and a few USB. and a mic line. and you can always leave them in the car.

    I hate the idea of the computer behind the screen. in the first few weeks of the car-pc you always have to access the computer, and change something until you get it to the way you like it. I have changed my setup 4 times now. I would be cussing if my computer was still behind the screen.
    Having to remove the carputer box if I need to change something is not really a problem for me. I'd prefer that instead of having to run some more cables.


    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, OMG that PC in the glove box. Redo all those cables!
    Yes I know my cabling is really bad and it kinda scares me

    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Don't use VIA. Maybe its just me, but I have never had luck with VIA boards. They always seem to have some kind of short fall in some specific area. I'm a huge fan of Zotac. My install uses 2 Zotac boards and I love them. Fast boot and tons of over and under volting capabilities.
    I agree with you about VIA, I've had a few problems with some of their hardware, it doesn't seem very reliable, but the problem is that they're almost the only company making (affordable) pico-itx and nano-itx motherboards. And as I want to make an in-dash double din carputer with the motherboard in it, it's pretty much the only option I got. Mini-ITX is too big to fit in.

    I've been having a new Zotac H55 mini-itx for about a week now (for a NAS/HTPC) and I'm very happy with it, fast boot and everything, it's a very nice mobo. But it's not something I would put in a car because of the Intel Core i3 CPU. And Zotac doesn't make mobo smaller than mini-itx .

    Difficult choice. If I take a mini-itx I will have to change all my plans.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Problem with Andrea is that the echo cancellation is software based. It can really slow down a PC. What I would do is buy the Phoenix SOHO card, go here to look at the mod http://forums.fluxmedia.net/general-...enix-soho.html. Because all the cancellation is done by the card, no CPU resources are used. Its a guaranteed solution for echo cancel.
    Yes i'm afraid that the Andrea might require too much CPU ressources and if I go for the VIA pico-itx, which has a 1.2ghz CPU, the system could end up really slow (like it is right now with my Atom, CF3 (.net sucks) and AudioMulch filtering the sound (because I've got an old PPi amp which doesn't have low-pass/hi-pass filtering. I haven't installed my Alpine yet)).

    The SOHO on the other hand requires a PCI port (so it takes some space and needs to have a mobo with PCI, which is rare now), costs alot and doesn't have any microphone bundled-in...

    So i'm kind of stuck here too.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    What is a BlackBox?
    It's that thing :
    http://store.mp3car.com/Black_Double.../enc-032-b.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by AXB View Post
    I've been having a new Zotac H55 mini-itx for about a week now (for a NAS/HTPC) and I'm very happy with it, fast boot and everything, it's a very nice mobo. But it's not something I would put in a car because of the Intel Core i3 CPU. And Zotac doesn't make mobo smaller than mini-itx .

    Difficult choice. If I take a mini-itx I will have to change all my plans.
    You have to choose between space, or power. To me with its speed, I VIA is like using a headunit, which would defeat the point of having a car pc.


    The SOHO on the other hand requires a PCI port (so it takes some space and needs to have a mobo with PCI, which is rare now), costs alot and doesn't have any microphone bundled-in...

    So i'm kind of stuck here too.
    No you are not, did you read the link I sent you? It tells you how to mod the card so you can power it via USB or the 5V rail on your PSU. In fact, here is a picture of mine.

    You see the two hubs, then above those is a PCI card with 2 wires coming out from where it should connect to the PCI slot.... Thats the card modded. Its so simple to do.

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