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    i had some issues with the transflective screen....it was horrible. money waisted but came up with a cool setup to replace that one.
    this setup is completely wireless,yet is still integrated into the boats controls.

    my new setup consists of a fujitsu q550 win7 tablet, a linksys wireless hub, belkin network usb hub,usb dac and the mjs usbio1's.

    the tablet now is fully unteathered and portable so it can be taken indoors or in the tow vehucle.

    check it out
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUr1l...e_gdata_player
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    havent had a lot of progress as of late (been doing a ton of boarding though )

    my motion computing cl900 FINALLY came in and is awesome!


    sunlight readability is pretty good you can read it in every condition except when the sun is directly reflecting off of it into your eyes.

    linked up to the belkin hub effortlessly

    relatively heavy for a tablet but not horrible

    battery life...AMAZING this thing will last all day on a charge... well they spec it at 8 hours but with the use it'll see on the boat... it'll last all day.

    it's waterproof, can handle splashes. all the ports are sealed...except the dock port. odd.

    performance... well it's not great; after all it's a tablet pc. it runs riderunner fine.

    it also has a nifty little dock for the digitizer pen (in case you need to do any on the fly coding?

    It's a bit more expensive then a mobile pc but its well worth the price
    Last edited by scott_fx; 08-04-2011 at 09:08 PM.
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    so a little more progress on v02 of the project. not much but here i started the dev portion of the rotation angle sensor that im building into my new setup

    here is a video of the proof of concept.


    total cost of parts for this was under $5. if you look at the multimeter you'll see that it sweeps as the magnet rotates. I plan on taking this data and inputing it into the pc. this will let me know where the wedge is at all times. I'll also be able to engage the wedge when i get up to speed like malibu's set up (but mine will never lose calibration

    the resolution is a lot better then what i had my dmm set up for, butyou get the idea
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    Hey guys,

    so after not being very happy with the drawbacks of a windows based mtc system (expensive, poor visibility in sunlight, EXPENSIVE, unstable, etc...) I decided to teach myself how to code micro a n00b friendly microcontroller; the arduino. There are a lot of advantages of this system over the pc based system:


    THE OLD:
    price: the win7 tablet, i/o, wifi hub, usb hub cost 1k+

    battery life: the tablet i had was great on battery life. but even in optimal conditions it would last ~7-8 hours. This would require me to be very conscious about the usage and would require me to make sure i had a full charge before each outing and to remember to charge it each night on long weekend trips

    boot time:
    self explanatory. not a huge issue but annoying

    stability:
    the old system needed wifi connectivity, usb hub connection, front end program and the win7 os to all be stable. this wasn't always the case. and the last thing i want to do is troubleshoot on a morning when the lake is glassy.

    THE NEW:
    price: so far i'm less then $200 in on this. I am going to integrate this with my tablet foran android control for my music/media which will raise the cost if you dont own one already. but they can be purchased for < $100.

    battery life: this is all wired so no issues with battery life.

    boot time: seconds

    stability: it's a simple program. the code is tiny and purpose built.




    my new motto for this build is to be inspired by apple. to make things quick, smart and easy to interact with. with that in mind i have the following functions implemented:

    Power Wedge controller. to make the system as user friendly and ergonimic as possible. i decided to include a knob for manual adjustments of the wedge. There is also a menu screen that has 4 presets as well as a 'retract' button. Each preset can be set by the user if they hold down the corresponding button when the wedge is at the position you want. Right now i have just a numeric reading of the angel of the wedge. but when i get into the design phase of the UI, it'll be a visual circular bar graph to tell you where the wedge is.

    i also plan on putting the wedge 'w' in the center

    Ballast Control. for the most part we fill or empty all of our ballast. so i have my main ballast screen that will either fill or empty all the ballasts (based on time limits) with a simple 'flick' of the screen. 'up' will fill all ballasts. 'down' will empty all ballasts. If there was interest or I got into wakesurfing. I could split up the screen into two. one side would set the ballast for boarding, the other half would set it for surfing



    If you want to fine tune your wake. a 'long press' of the ballast screen will take you to individual pump control.


    Power Control: the last screen i've worked on is the power center. Since my goal is to eliminate the need for a cd player, i have an button that will turn on or off the amps. in addition this menu will control the various lights of the boat. I'm still undecided but I'm considering having the center button open a 'keypad' to enter in a code that will lock/unlock the pushbutton starter button.





    things that i'm still working on, or plan to implement:
    Andriod integration: music/media player as well as using the voice recognition app for voice control over all of the functions (i.e. music, wedge preset, fill ballast all through voice command)

    if anyone here knows how to write android apps, i could use some help with this.


    anyways.... here is the work in progress:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3E6WMADiQ
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    a small update
    updated gui.
    initial tests of wedge positioning system and automatic knob system are working but need a bit of tweaking
    streamlined the gui a bit
    added a visual representation of approx web position (circle around the 'w')
    improved responsiveness of the touch screen (swipe function)




    to come:
    ipod control
    gps speed based wedge functions (wedge only will function at certain speeds)


    features put on hold until possibly next revision:
    ballast weight calculation (doing it old school for now)
    Last edited by scott_fx; 01-20-2012 at 02:17 AM.
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    Hi. You did a great job!

    After reading yout thread i decided to install pc in my own boat. I have Mastercraft x2 boat, and bought few parts for it:
    Lilipth 669 opticaly blended screen (for good sunlight view), core i3 pc, joycon exr for control perfect pass and select profiles (smartcraft network)

    Install win 7 on pc.

    Next question i have is software). As i understand you use Ride Runner.
    I bought a program and install it. But where to get skin applicable for boat? ) Can you post link on yours (it`s good to study on own mistakes, but it takes too much time) It will be great if you can give it.
    I have simmilar system (6 pumps 3 ballast bags, led, amplifiers, gps perfect pass) and still have a lot of questions.

    1) usb-io-1- wich one you use to control 6 pumps?
    2) Control of ballast tanks - you just calculate approximate time of filling (for example 2 minutes - 1\5 of tank used, 10 minutes - 100% of tank filled)
    3) How to get information about ballast tank levels?

    Good luck in your new system. It is realy good, but i plan install GPS software, and windows system is preffered for it)

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    thank you for the compliment. sounds like you're well on your way to a good setup. send me your email address and i'll get you the skin that i created.

    I never actually got into the guts of the perfect pass implementation. It's still on my list but the pp people aren't that responsive to helping me. After i get v2 set up and functional, i'll invest some time of reverse engineering their multiline display and let you know how to interact with it. My whole system will be arduino based, so you'll have to figure out how to incorperate it into your setup. but shouldnt be hard at all.

    as for the usb io. i have 4 of them that im not using anymore. let me know if you want to purchase them from me. i'll give you a price break!
    for the control of the tanks. you can use a timer function. i just had them set for 8 mins = 100% full then turned off. I do plan on implementing a more accurate system but there are 3 hurdles. price, accuracy, speed and simplicity. I have figured out how to make an inexpensive monitor for the rear bags, but the center/bow bag(s) are proving to be a bit harder. In order to accurately measure the weight you need a flow meter and they are expensive when you get into the 1" thread price range.

    one option is to use this http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/g12...?cPath=144_151. im trying to figure out if running two of these in parallel will provide a relatively unobstructed flow (as to not slow down the fill process). I'm switching out my dual pump system for a single johnson pump:
    http://www.wakemakers.com/johnson-ul...last-pump.html
    not the main reason, but an added benefit is the reduce the cost of not having to monitor two pumps.

    as for the rear bags, the flow meters could work or, if you're going with the usb-io's. i'd take advantage of the digital inputs on those. I'll go into more detail if you want to that route.


    Quote Originally Posted by Darude View Post
    Hi. You did a great job!

    After reading yout thread i decided to install pc in my own boat. I have Mastercraft x2 boat, and bought few parts for it:
    Lilipth 669 opticaly blended screen (for good sunlight view), core i3 pc, joycon exr for control perfect pass and select profiles (smartcraft network)

    Install win 7 on pc.

    Next question i have is software). As i understand you use Ride Runner.
    I bought a program and install it. But where to get skin applicable for boat? ) Can you post link on yours (it`s good to study on own mistakes, but it takes too much time) It will be great if you can give it.
    I have simmilar system (6 pumps 3 ballast bags, led, amplifiers, gps perfect pass) and still have a lot of questions.

    1) usb-io-1- wich one you use to control 6 pumps?
    2) Control of ballast tanks - you just calculate approximate time of filling (for example 2 minutes - 1\5 of tank used, 10 minutes - 100% of tank filled)
    3) How to get information about ballast tank levels?

    Good luck in your new system. It is realy good, but i plan install GPS software, and windows system is preffered for it)
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    As far as i know reverciable pumps aren't reliable.
    I still planing this system from 0, and i want use microwave sensors like this one. I have hard material ballast bags.
    For controling pumps i want use usb-io, and what is about digital inputs? As i understand usb-io just have 4 relays which i can control from plugin for rr or cf. What do you mean by digital input? ) Please give me more detail)
    Can`t send you mail in pm, you have full pm mailbox. please send me pm with your mail, or delete few messages from pm.
    Can you send usb-io to Russia, Moscow?? )

    Thanks)

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    they are very reliable, you just can't run them dry. luckily you can make an intelligent system that can shut them off and avoid running dry

    can you link me to the microwave sensors you're talking about?

    how tall are your ballast tanks?

    digital inputs will activate a command in RR based on a voltage input. so, for instance, so you you want something to happen when you turn your bilge pump on (like a pop up message or audio alert) you wire up the digital input to your bilge and when it gets 12v (pump is on) it will trigger a RR event.

    my pm mailbox is cleared up now. send away.

    i could send the io's to russia
    New System in progress:
    M10k
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Dynaudio MD130
    Phaze TD1500 ~> Seas g18rnx/p
    Zapco Ref 500.1 ~ 12" tc-9
    Behringer DCX2496 ~ Envision Electronics psu
    Transflective Xenarc

    My Car Pc Install
    My Boat Pc worklog

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    They aren`t reliable. I have one like that from Jabsco, and there is sereous problem with impeller.
    Jabsco Ballast Puppy Impeller Pump Ballast System: http://www.wakemakers.com/kiss-compl...t-package.html
    I want connect boat network to PC to see infromation from boat network. In my system SmartCraft MercMonitor have nmea2000 interface.
    I looked to Maretron system, but it is too expensive... our local dealer calculated me about 6k usd for the system i want (pc-boat system can be fully builded on maretron product - dc relays, tanks monitoring, weather station, fluid flow sensors, pc or own display with software) .
    They have nmea2000 ultrasonic sensors: http://www.maretron.com/products/tlm100.php and i think it can be used with a usb-nmea2000 adaptor and some kind of software (still searching infor about it)
    My ballast bags are 50cm in height.

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