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    Thumbs up 2003 Saab 9-3: Project AdRI

    I think I'm the first to do this, so I'm going to avail myself of this forum & just jot stuff down, and keep a log of what I'm doing.

    Here's my intro thread with some pics: Another noob takes a brave step into the light...

    I have some really grand plans for all of this. The good thing is I have a lot of time as I'm not in a rush. Funds are a bit more problematic, but time is on my side.
    Here's the current blueprint:
    Case: Vaultz Cash Box - procured
    PSU: Opus 120 - procured
    HDD: crusty old 40GB 3.5" circa 2001 - procured
    MB: Via Epia M10000 - procured
    Mem: 512MB DDR PC-2100 Corsair - procured
    ATX power source to power this out of the car - procured
    Monitor: Xenarc 700IDT In Dash 7" Touch Screen VGA, non motorized flipup - procured
    OS: XP Home - procured
    Navi: iGuidance 2.1.0- procured
    GPS antenna - now there's a story... see below for what I'm going to do.

    This is stuff I know I want. Much more in the "want-to-have" list, but this'll do to start.
    As for functions, this is what I want it to do (goals are good, right?)...
    -XM integration with my existing Commander
    -Navigation
    -Audio file playback
    -Video file playback
    -CAN or I-Bus integration
    -(Future) Bluetooth phone integration

    How is all this gonna tie together? Glad you asked. Prolly need some software...
    -Roadrunner front end
    -iGuidance for navi
    -Uh, that's as far as I got.

    What else? While there are some cool RR skins out there, the whole spirit of this is customization, so I'm going for my own skin. I want to make an MFD-style panel, to emulate a Saab Grippen fighter. What Saab would be complete without an MFD? Besides, I can use lots of blacks & greens to compliment the interior.
    The entire install will be stealth, so none of it will be seen. The monitor I will put in the CD player DIN slot, and use an existing panel to cover it.
    Placement of the puter itself is a challenge. This car is so tight on space, it's hard to put it in somewhere. A lot of the suggestions on the forum I can't use. I can't put it inside panels in the trunk, or under the read seat, or in the glovebox, or many other places. I CAN put it under the passenger seat, or inside the spare tire in the trunk. So far the passenger seat is looking the most promising.

    I have to say. I am learning buttloads just by searching on this forum. I've learned 2 big things so far: 1-it's been done before, and 2-if it hasn't, there is a way to do it.

    Here's the ride...


    Stay tuned...
    -Viscouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscouse
    I have to say. I am learning buttloads just by searching on this forum. I've learned 2 big things so far: 1-it's been done before, and 2-if it hasn't, there is a way to do it.
    if only we had a "stamp of approval" for newbies, you'd get my vote
    But don't take it from me! here's a quote from a real, live newbie:
    Quote Originally Posted by Viscouse
    I am learning buttloads just by searching on this forum. I've learned 2 big things so far: 1-it's been done before, and 2-if it hasn't, there is a way to do it.
    eegeek.net

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    Wow. I'm honored!

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    One more aspect I forgot to add, but this is pretty far down the road.
    Since it is going to be an emulated aircraft MFD, it'd be cool to integrate a bunch of aviaonics style information in real-time. Speed, horizon indicator, altimeter, etc. Most of that stuff can be gotten from accelerometers. If I can program something to use that data, wouldn't that be just the freakin cat's meow.

    But, first things first. I need a motherboard.
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    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
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    Working on a skin for Roadrunner. Check it out here: MFD Skin I'm modelling after a multifunctional screen, as seen in fighter jets. I thought it would look pretty cool in a car inspired by fighter jets.

    Progress so far: Menu page! Thaaaat's about it.
    Next I get my power supply, RAM & mobo. SHould get it the beginning of August. Then I can get it actually running & install some software! Like an OS!
    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
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    Got my fans yesterday & finished installing them today. I went with 2 identical 80mm fans. One pulling air in, one throwing it out. Straight across.
    I had to do some major hacking into the box, and the entire area of the fan is not exposed, but oh well. Even though the 60mm would have fit better (read: perfectly) I went with the 80mm even if some of it would be covered. Why? The 80mm moves more air, is quieter, slower, and cheaper. I had the room to spare, so why not. They are the thick kind too (25mm).
    It's a first shot, so we'll see how it goes. No pics cause I'm embarrased by my surgery on the box.

    Today I get my mobo & mem so I should be able to power it up & get going!

    Where'd the fans come from?
    http://www.nexfan.com/evcafan80bab.html for $2.49. I got some filter guards too just in case.
    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
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    GPS integration

    How am I going to get navigation into the system? Good question. I considered a nifty little USB antenna/receiver for sale int he mp3car store, and then I remembeted an article from like a couple years ago. It involved using the car's internal Onstar hardware to accomlish the same thing. It's already built in, and responsive, robust and validated system.

    Yes, it would be easier to just get a puck, but what fun is that? This way I can save $80, some weight (2 whole oz!) and violate my car in yet another way. It's not easy though. Here is some info from Saabcentral.com, and here is the thread in the GPS Forum.

    I'll either edit this space or the latter thread with progress on this particular project.
    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
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    It's my Worklog & I'll ramble it I wanna.

    I have to say, I'm having tons & tons of fun. Sometimes I'm a "it's the process that's enjoyable" guy, and sometimes I'm the "Results rock!" guy. For this project, I'm on the Process side of the fence. I'm learning a lot in my pursuit to get exactly what I want. This is a great project because you can customize exactly how much or how little you want in the project. From buying a pre-built carputer you pretty much just plug in, to programming EEPROMS & developing your own hardware & software. When I first started looking, I was almost ready for the pre-built version. But as I looked into the process I decided there were things I wanted different (not that any system here in the store didn't match up with my quality or price expectations).
    Thus, I started designing with some precepts in mind:
    1: It should look stock. When stowed, only nosy service techs should be able to find it.
    2: Cheap. Just like a lot of you, I ain't made of money.
    3: Interface should be seamless, or barring that, novel.
    4: No bondoing or custom dash work (cause I can't, and that's just too much for me).

    All this required customization of almost every aspect. I have realized it will take a little longer, but that is one commodity I have.

    So I'm trucking along, and glad to be. This forum is a wealth of info (even if sometimes it is hard to find). Another cool aspect is just seeing what is possible, and what others are doing. That is one of the main reasons I wanted to put add some mobile computing power to my life: to dream up new things. Like playing Tron with real cars!

    Eventually I'll redo my whole rig in Linux, so I even have v2 of the carputer started. But for now, I have to get v1 running.
    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
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    Whoohoo! I got my mobo & mem yesterday. Hooked it all up & it freakin worked! I was simply too geeked for words. I was running around the house, wife giving me the evil eye & all that jazz.

    Now the major challenge will be not to break anything during the rest of construction.

    Like anyone cares...I plugged the mem into the mobo, spare ATX PSU to the mobo & HDD, IDE to HDD, mouse, keyboard & monitor.
    My bonus cheap 1GB HDD already had an OS on it so it pretty much fired right up. Too cool. Now I know all my components work.
    It's never been that easy (for me).

    I even added a CDROM temporarily so I could boot from CD. For some reason I couldn't boot from USB. Maybe I didn't have the USB drive configured properly. Oh well.

    Now the next challenge. Installing XP on the drive at up like 85% of my 1G HDD. I can either do some serious pruning, or get a new HDD. A new one might be better since it's really slow, and I won't have any room for MP3s, even if I do prune it.

    Things that have to go on the HDD:
    XP install (800MB)
    XP disk (400MB)
    IGuidance maps (1.5GB compressed?)
    Front end, skins, XM, etc.

    Something else I realized as I used a paperclip to turn on the mobo: since i have a custom case, I have to do several things:
    1: make room for the various LEDs & power switches, even if they are mounted inside (will make future troublesooting much easier)
    2: cutout for the mobo panel.

    Something I always wanted to do was make a quick disconnect. 1 plug for the entire bundle of wires. Sounds ambitios, and some wires I probably can't do like GPS or XM antennas. But the fewer the better.
    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
    Witty one-liners currently quoted by (0001) mp3car.com forum member sigs.

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    So I got 80% of all the hard work done in terms of mounting stuff in the box.

    I made the cutout for the IO panel in the back using a tiny saw & a Dremel to cut the metal. I have to stop cutting the box, it's starting to lose a little of the rigidity!
    I can't beleive it fits perfectly! I'm very happy with it.



    Having that done, I had to balance how high/low that would be with how high I could put the panel before I had to cut through the hinges. I would have liked to put it up just a bit more, but it's good.
    To mount it, I used machine screws from the outside in, and spaces that I cut from a pen (thanks to a local computer parts guy for that tidbit!). The grommets I cut are only about 1mm thick, but there is fabric & hardboard underneath, so I'm not terribly worried that it may touch. It was a bit of a tight fit, bu after I got it all adjusted properly it slid in perfectly. I put the nuts on & called it a day!

    Now I mounted the HDD to the lid. I actually am going to splurge on some mounting rails instead of screwing it right to the lid. Will give a little leeway cause I can't drill precision placed holes, and flexibility in removal & placement. You can see in the picture below the fans are in there as well.



    The only thing missing is the Opus, which will go on the lid, next to the HDD.

    The pictures below show a couple other aspects, like how the fan is partially blocked (I may cut out the hardboard inbetween the metal rails, I may not. I need the metal though for rigidity).
    You can also see a detail of the standoff I used. ( know the screw is long, but it doesn't interfere, and they were available).

    Next steps:
    -reload OS on another, bigger HDD.
    -make a power pigtail. Instead of plugging & unplugging the ATX PSU directly on the mobo, I want to make a pigtail that will plug permanently into the mobo, and can be conencted externally. The goal is to ot stress the mobo so much. I figure it'll be awhile till I get my Opus.
    -I got some LEDs & switches, not I have to decide if I want to mount them externally, or inside somewhere.
    -Load vital software: winamp, iGuidance.

    Then we're on hold till I can get another project finished: tapping my Onstar box for GPS info.
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    You know you want to...Worklog
    Enjoying v1.0 since it's operational. Aaaawww yeah.
    Specs: Opus120; Epia M10k; 700IDT; GlobalSat BR-355; iGuidance 2.1 & IGMod; XM; Custom case.
    Witty one-liners currently quoted by (0001) mp3car.com forum member sigs.

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