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    2003 Holden Commodore VY S :: Mobilus Project

    Car:
    Type; 2003 Holden Commodore VY S-Pack, 3.8L Automatic, Hothouse Green (See My Avatar)
    Modifications; None
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    PC Components Bought:
    • EPIA SP-13000 Motherboard
    • Seagate 120GB 3.5" SATA HDD
    • Corsair Value Select 512MB DDR400 (PC3200) RAM
    • M1-ATX DC-DC PSU
    • Panasonic Slimline Slot-Load CD/DVD Drive
    • Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro PCI Soundcard with Internal IO Hub
    • USB GPS Receiver
    • Lilliput 7" LCD Touchscreen


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    Electronics Interface Components Bought:
    • 1 x InterfaceKit 0/16/16
    • 1 x InterfaceKit 8/8/8
    • 1 x Light Sensor
    • 1 x RFID Kit
    • 1 x PhidgetSensor Encoder
    • 2 x Voltage Sensor
    • 2 x Touch Sensor
    • 3 x Temperature Sensor


    Images; *Coming soon*

    Stereo Components Bought:
    • 2 12" Precision Response Dual Voice Coil Subwoofer
    • 2 6.5" Precision Response Coaxial Speaker
    • 2 2x150wrms Precision Response Amplifier
    • 1 4x100wrms Precision Response Amplifier
    • 1 1Farad Capacitor


    Images; *See Attachments For Component Images*

    Stock Stereo & Removal:


    Mission:
    To replace the stock stereo with a stealh-install Car PC utilising a much better sound system.

    Goals:
    • Use existing Stereo Facia and interface buttons to PC to emulate the standard stereo
    • Add nothing which looks out of place from any other stock Commodore at first glance (through the windows)
    • Leave the system flexible enough to add on additional components such as ECU interface, XBOX gaming, WiFi support etc.


    Current Progress:
    95% hardware purchased. Just the Phidget Interface kit (for receiving button presses from stock stereo face) is left.
    Now bench testing and software integration comes.
    At the same time, building a box for the two 12" subs which maximises the amount of spare space left in the boot.

    Thoughts
    Upon examining the cage that the HeadUnit resides, ive noticed 3 well placed holes. One on each side, and one on top. These will be very handy for pumping out hot air, and pumping in cooler air.. as well as some security. Maybe a small (4") Linear actuator mounted inside the HeadUnit module, that protrudes out into either those holes, or a custom drilled hole, fixing the head unit in and preventing (well.. makes it really difficult) against theft. What an idea.
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    SP 13000, Precision Response Audio, Stealth Install.

    Progress: 60%
    Hardware Bought, Install Time.


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    V0.7.1 Now Released

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    Well the first problem on this quest has arisen.. The Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro PCI Soundcard with Internal IO Hub
    causes the SP-13000 much grief when plugged in, ie, it wont boot.

    Im bench testing it, running it using a desktop ATX 250w power supply, with no other peripherals attached, and it just wont POST. No beep, nothing coming out on the display. Nothing.

    I've tried changing everything possible in the bios and updating to version 1.07. Still no luck. Nothing i try will let the board boot with that card plugged in.

    Creative tech support is being most unhelpful.

    I may end up just selling the card and using something else.

    What a dissappointment.


    * 9/8/05 Update *

    Card has been RMA'd and hopefully replaced, so we should see when i get a new one back, if it was the card or the motherboard.

    * 11/8/05 Update *

    Got the card back from distributor.. they couldn't find a defect so they replaced it. Tried booting with it and SUCCESS! First time tried, it worked. Beautiful.

    Now on to other things...

    * 22/08/05 * Update

    Purchased the required Phidget elements from www.phidgetsUSA.com:
    • 1 x InterfaceKit 0/16/16
    • 1 x InterfaceKit 8/8/8
    • 1 x Light Sensor
    • 1 x RFID Kit
    • 1 x PhidgetSensor Encoder
    • 2 x Voltage Sensor
    • 2 x Touch Sensor
    • 3 x Temperature Sensor


    Which means as soon as they arrive it will be time for work on the interface to the carpc from the stock facia to begin. It also means i'll have temperature and voltage information for the car and stereo, so i can automatically shutdown components if they start to get hot or available voltage drops (Amps etc).
    Very good.

    * 30/08/05 * Update

    Phidgets finally arrive.. so much for express UPS delivery.. As well as Government duties.. BUT, they're here and they work great.

    I've started to work on the interface software which will drive the 7" and smaller 5" for OEM replacement. Phidgets will tie into it and media will be played via it using FMod.

    On the way now.

    * 30/08/05 * Update

    Another update today. Software development Continues. Goal: To play audio with a decent touch-friendly Interface which integrates with the Phidgets for control (OEM Stereo Facia). Developed in C#(.NET V1.4322) using SDL for graphics and FMod for audio.

    Features so far:
    * Skinnable interface with vector-based buttons, allows for buttons to wrap around other buttons, all sorts of different shapes. All defined using Object-Orientation.
    * Generic button command structure, buttons store a text-based command identifier which is passed into a command execution class when a click is found to be within its defined polygon.
    * Media events such as Next Track and Next Directory which other objects can hook into, such as the Skin object, which updates the display of Directory and Track when the relevant buttons cause the directory/track to move
    * No media information caching, it picks up media on the fly, which means no media library building (such as i experienced in Centrafuse), files and directories are looked up on the fly and streamed into FMod.

    Very incomplete. Still just working on base features. skins will be very easy to create, consisting of two images per screen, one for all buttons off, one for all buttons on, button regions are blitted from the relevant image on the fly as needed. No slicing required. Skin, Screen and buttons are defined using XML Serialization to disk.

    I should start a thread in the Software/Frontend section.. yes.

    For now, see the attached screenshot. I'll upload a Binary and Source version over the next week or so.

    P.S. The spectrum graph rotates and zooms based on the sound (total values averaged for that frame). Looks kinda cool, was really just playing around with what was possible. Vis framework would be a good idea.

    * 14/09/05 * Update

    Well two weeks have passed.. im %70 through my 2 week holiday, averaging about 16 hours a day coding.. some holiday!

    The USB PhidgetEncoder is fried.. never worked, they're sending another one.. more Government duties for them to pay..... Yay delays Yay.

    Software is coming together nicely. Im taking time building up solid foundations so that the extensions later on will be solid and reliable.. nothing worse than trying to develop on a shaky base.

    Should be putting the Sub Box together over the next 2 days as well, at which point i'll put the carpc in the car and test the outputs (make sure the front goes to front, rear to rear and sub to sub) and just generally see if the sound output meets my expectations or not.

    Oh, and i also got a DSB-R100 USB Radio off Ebay which im going to tie into the whole thing (somehow).

    So little to do, so much time!

    * 15/11/05 * Update

    The Rigours of being back at work have taken their toll.. and in 2 months not much has happened. ive managed to install most of the stereo gear and do some test-playing, not not much above that. Here are some pics that are around 3 weeks old.. the Box is now covered in black carpet and things are actually more wired up now than in these pics..

    Install Pics So Far

    Where the power (red on right) and RCA's (blue on left) enter the boot

    Back of box, you can see the power distribution block

    side of box, you can see the terminals for one sub, two sets, one for each Voice Coil. Also you can see the angle on the front.

    you can see the big red cable on the door sill, comes through an unused gromet in the firewall

    bracket for 100A fuse holder that i constructed out of aluminium, yet to spray it black.
    VY Commodore S Pack HotHouse Green

    SP 13000, Precision Response Audio, Stealth Install.

    Progress: 60%
    Hardware Bought, Install Time.


    My Worklog

    Mobilus - My Frontend, 55% done
    V0.7.1 Now Released

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    7" lilliput

    Where did you get the 7" lilliput touch screen from? Ebay?
    If so, how much was customs/import duties? I live in Melbourne and am wanting to buy one of these for my VX S, but am just concerned the import taxes and such will make the screen cost a little too much.

    Where do you plan on mounting the screen in the VY if you are keeping the stock player?

    Which GPS receiver and software are you using? Tested this out at all?
    Jarrod - Holden VX S!

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    If its any help, I got my Lilly from ex-audio (ebay) and paid no import duty.
    (Brisbane, Australia)

    Does the 1.07 bios allow 800x480 on lilly?

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    mate, cant wait to see some pics of your setup. have you had the mobo running fine without the audigy? if it does, can you get an rma on the card? and to Jarrod, i got my lilli 8" from ebay, cost me around 350 with 40 postage. no import taxes, it came from hong kong. was delivered like 3 days after my payment cleared. they are cheaper than what i paid for mine now, but expect to pay around $40 postage.


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    I am eagerly awaiting the pics as well

    Thanks for the info regarding import taxes. Very relieved to hear! I'd have to stick with a 7" screen to fit the double DIN VX stock stereo hole, seems the 7" screens are almost a perfect fit, just a matter of making a nice flush face.
    Jarrod - Holden VX S!

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    be careful with the import duties. If it is sent by courier (ie. ups and the like) you will incur import duty if the item is over A$200. If it is sent by the postal service, the duty is applicable after $1000. Couldn't work out why but that is how it was explained to me by customs when I got my screen sent from Hong Kong. Let's just say that I wasn't happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod
    Where did you get the 7" lilliput touch screen from? Ebay?
    If so, how much was customs/import duties? I live in Melbourne and am wanting to buy one of these for my VX S, but am just concerned the import taxes and such will make the screen cost a little too much.
    I bought it off ebay, from a distributor in Hong Kong. I think all up it was $450, it arrived by normal post and i didnt have to pay any extra that i am aware. but this was about 2 years ago and as such i dont quite remember everything

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod
    Where do you plan on mounting the screen in the VY if you are keeping the stock player?
    on the VY-onwards models they have a dome thing at the top of the console, reserved for things like guage pods in HSV's and Monaros. My idea is to hinge the whole dome plate thing on teh back, so the front can tilt up and down. Mount a small 4" linear actuator underneath and use it to push a diagonal bracket up, raising the plate.
    The screen would be attached to the underside of the plate, and would be a normal motorized LCD mechanism. So the plate raises, screen folds out. It would only be in certain circumstances i'd have it out (since it'd be quite visible when extended), like when using GPS Navigation etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod
    Which GPS receiver and software are you using? Tested this out at all?
    Its just a normal "average" USB GPS. Im using Destinator3 with australian maps. Used it a few times on my Laptop, quite impressed so far.
    VY Commodore S Pack HotHouse Green

    SP 13000, Precision Response Audio, Stealth Install.

    Progress: 60%
    Hardware Bought, Install Time.


    My Worklog

    Mobilus - My Frontend, 55% done
    V0.7.1 Now Released

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonk
    Does the 1.07 bios allow 800x480 on lilly?
    Not in the bios, but i havent checked in windows yet, since the soundcard issue has been taking all my attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod
    I'd have to stick with a 7" screen to fit the double DIN VX stock stereo hole, seems the 7" screens are almost a perfect fit, just a matter of making a nice flush face.
    Yep, i've seen a few LCD installs into that spot. With the VY onwards stereos are actually larger than Double Din, and more of a trapeziod shape..
    VY Commodore S Pack HotHouse Green

    SP 13000, Precision Response Audio, Stealth Install.

    Progress: 60%
    Hardware Bought, Install Time.


    My Worklog

    Mobilus - My Frontend, 55% done
    V0.7.1 Now Released

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakhawk
    mate, cant wait to see some pics of your setup.
    Yep, i'm trying to get pics of the whole process. I received the stereo gear today. They left the Capacitor out of the order

    Quote Originally Posted by hakhawk
    have you had the mobo running fine without the audigy? if it does, can you get an rma on the card?
    Yep, i've installed Windows XP MCE on it and it runs very well. Just wont do anything with the soundcard plugged in.
    VY Commodore S Pack HotHouse Green

    SP 13000, Precision Response Audio, Stealth Install.

    Progress: 60%
    Hardware Bought, Install Time.


    My Worklog

    Mobilus - My Frontend, 55% done
    V0.7.1 Now Released

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